Criminalizing Private Gun Sales

[DaveTN]

5 minutes ago, Omega said:

Meaning that unless they know you had it, they won't know you sold it.  That's the problem with these laws, they won't be able to enforce them without a database.

Why do they need a database? They make it a crime to transfer a firearm without a BC; same as it is now for across state lines. They would enforce it the same as with any other law.

[FUJIMO]

19 minutes ago, DaveTN said:

Why do they need a database? They make it a crime to transfer a firearm without a BC; same as it is now for across state lines. They would enforce it the same as with any other law.

So what you're saying is we shouldn't be worried lol.

[DaveTN]

6 minutes ago, FUJIMO said:

So what you're saying is we shouldn't be worried lol.

No, if they require a transfer and you don’t do it; you both should be worried.

This is not the first time I have seen this tied to a gun registry. I just am curious how or why someone is making that leap?? I don’t see how it would require a registry, or have anything to do with guns you have at the time the law went into effect.

I’m not arguing; I’m asking. Maybe I’m missing something here.

[Omega]

1 hour ago, Garufa said:

Unless you sold it to a cop.  Then they’d know more about you than you do.

Well, don't do that!

[FUJIMO]

26 minutes ago, DaveTN said:

No, if they require a transfer and you don’t do it; you both should be worried.

This is not the first time I have seen this tied to a gun registry. I just am curious how or why someone is making that leap?? I don’t see how it would require a registry, or have anything to do with guns you have at the time the law went into effect.

I’m not arguing; I’m asking. Maybe I’m missing something here.

No argument here. Worried about what though? If a gun exchange hands privately and said gun is registered to neither person how do they prove it exchanged hands in the first place ?

[Omega]

32 minutes ago, DaveTN said:

No, if they require a transfer and you don’t do it; you both should be worried.

This is not the first time I have seen this tied to a gun registry. I just am curious how or why someone is making that leap?? I don’t see how it would require a registry, or have anything to do with guns you have at the time the law went into effect.

I’m not arguing; I’m asking. Maybe I’m missing something here.

Ok, let's say I sold you a gun, which had changed hands a few times before I got it.  How in Hades are they to know I sold you the gun?  They will recognise that error and push for a registry, you know, for the kids. 

[DaveTN]

12 minutes ago, Omega said:

Ok, let's say I sold you a gun, which had changed hands a few times before I got it.  How in Hades are they to know I sold you the gun?  They will recognise that error and push for a registry, you know, for the kids. 

Then let them tie a gun registry to the BC bill; it won’t pass.

Guns are traced every day that didn’t go through paperwork. If they need a trace bad enough they start with the first dealer and follow the path. When they get to you; you are going to give them my information pretty quick.

[FUJIMO]

12 minutes ago, DaveTN said:

Then let them tie a gun registry to the BC bill; it won’t pass.

Guns are traced every day that didn’t go through paperwork. If they need a trace bad enough they start with the first dealer and follow the path. When they get to you; you are going to give them my information pretty quick.

Bingo. We have a system now that works when we need it to. Clearly they had no issue tracking the weapons of these mass murders with their evil semi-bump-full-semi assault weapons back the source with the current system. But it would be a GD wet dream for that scarecrow named Pelosi and the rest of those idiots, rep and dem alike,  to have on file everything you have that they consider harmful. Where does "for the better good" end and invasion of privacy and infringement on my rights begin?

[volshayes]

Here we go.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/house-democrats-to-introduce-gun-background-check-bill-next-week

[FUJIMO]

1 hour ago, volshayes said:

Here we go.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/house-democrats-to-introduce-gun-background-check-bill-next-week

"In communities across America, courageous survivors, families and young advocates are showing outstanding courage and persistence in demanding an end to the horrific scourge of gun violence in our nation. It is an honor to join Congressman Mike Thompson and former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords to answer their call by taking the first step to pass commonsense background checks – which 97 percent of the American people support."

Are you effing kidding me ????

[DaveTN]

1 hour ago, FUJIMO said:

"In communities across America, courageous survivors, families and young advocates are showing outstanding courage and persistence in demanding an end to the horrific scourge of gun violence in our nation. It is an honor to join Congressman Mike Thompson and former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords to answer their call by taking the first step to pass commonsense background checks – which 97 percent of the American people support."

Are you effing kidding me ????

Sure, here’s the FOX News poll; I figure they are probably the least likely to word the questions to put their own spin on it, or just outright lie.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-voters-favor-gun-measures-doubt-congress-will-act

If you look at some of the other polls, Gallop, CNN, etc.; they are even higher. Some of the polls even asked if guns should be registered with the local Police and claim 70% said YES.

 It’s going to take a lot for the states to stop the Feds from requiring BC on private sales. If they also want to create a registry; they will have problems getting that passed. (I think. But I could be very wrong.)

[FUJIMO]

3 minutes ago, DaveTN said:

Sure, here’s the FOX News poll; I figure they are probably the least likely to word the questions to put their own spin on it, or just outright lie.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-voters-favor-gun-measures-doubt-congress-will-act

If you look at some of the other polls, Gallop, CNN, etc.; they are even higher. Some of the polls even asked if guns should be registered with the local Police and claim 70% said YES.

 It’s going to take a lot for the states to stop the Feds from requiring BC on private sales. If they also want to create a registry; they will have problems getting that passed. (I think. But I could be very wrong.)

I am surprised, even though I guess I really shouldn't be. The liberal slant with that poll must have been out of sight. And phrasing it juuuust right to a bunch of non gun owning, up and coming metoo morons didn't hurt either.

I get it, the whole country doesn't love guns and the rights to have them as much as little ol me. However, if I were stopped tomorrow on the street and asked to answer a poll of which I neither knew anything about nor could give a rats azz about I would simply say no thanks and move on.

[DaveTN]

9 minutes ago, FUJIMO said:

I am surprised, even though I guess I really shouldn't be. The liberal slant with that poll must have been out of sight. And phrasing it juuuust right to a bunch of non gun owning, up and coming metoo morons didn't hurt either.

I get it, the whole country doesn't love guns and the rights to have them as much as little ol me. However, if I were stopped tomorrow on the street and asked to answer a poll of which I neither knew anything about nor could give a rats azz about I would simply say no thanks and move on.

When this all started a lot of the people I worked with ask “What is the gun show loophole?” because they assumed you already had to do a background check to buy a gun. Some of them even owned guns and assumed because they did it when they bought their new gun; that everyone has to do it. When I explained how it worked; most of them said they thought a background check was a good idea.

It isn’t going to impact me one way or the other (other than added cost if they don't make it free); I’m against it because it will do nothing. It will not stop one criminal or mass shooter from getting a gun if they want one.

 

[FUJIMO]

2 minutes ago, DaveTN said:

When this all started a lot of the people I worked with ask “What is the gun show loophole?” because they assumed you already had to do a background check to buy a gun. Some of them even owned guns and assumed because they did it when they bought their new gun; that everyone has to do it. When I explained how it worked; most of them said they thought a background check was a good idea.

It isn’t going to impact me one way or the other (other than added cost if they don't make it free); I’m against it because it will do nothing. It will not stop one criminal or mass shooter from getting a gun if they want one.

 

I tend to lean more toward Newton's 3rd law

[Oh Shoot]

1 hour ago, FUJIMO said:

I am surprised, even though I guess I really shouldn't be.

I don't know the real percentage, but it also does seem to be accurate that even among NRA members, the majority agrees with universal BG checks.

- OS

[Garufa]

My crystal ball says universal background checks will be federal law sometime in 2021 or 2022....along with a whole lot of other things we are not going to like.

[Oh Shoot]

18 hours ago, Garufa said:

My crystal ball says universal background checks will be federal law sometime in 2021 or 2022....along with a whole lot of other things we are not going to like.

I'll be amazed if we have a Republican prez again for at least 8 years after this fiasco. And maybe not a Republican Triumvirate again for .. ever?

The GOP will have to defend a lot more in the Senate in '20 than they did in '18, too, so we may well see the Dem Triple Play for the first time since Obama's first two years.

Then again, I remind myself I didn't give DJT a chance in hell to win, eh?

- OS

Edited January 6, 2019 by Oh Shoot

[FUJIMO]

12 hours ago, Oh Shoot said:

I don't know the real percentage, but it also does seem to be accurate that even among NRA members, the majority agrees with universal BG checks.

- OS

Just confirms what I've felt for a while about the NRA if this is true.