CMP 1911’s

[DaveTN]

CMP 1911’s

This is amusing. 

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/

 

[jwhjwh54]

I'll inherit my grandfather's service 1911 but may throw in a packet for one of these. If I get one great, if not o well! 

I'm debating a m1 special or service grade at the moment. I sold my garand a couple months back and I'm regretting it 

[KahrMan]

A lot of hoops to jump through but I will be jumping...

[ken_mays]

Complete BS that they won't ship to C&R FFL holders.  

[Magiccarpetrides]

goodness.....

[Chucktshoes]

Holy crap. That’s a lot to go through. 

[Defender]

25 minutes ago, Chucktshoes said:

Holy crap. That’s a lot to go through. 

Plus prices seem way too high as well.

[Garufa]

14 minutes ago, JAlexanderMSgt said:

Plus prices seem way too high as well.

Compared to what?  Even beat to hell USGI 1911’s are crazy expensive on the open market.

[Chucktshoes]

To those of y’all more experienced with milsurps, is there a way to determine where they were issued, saw service? I don’t know if that info is tracked by serial number or what in way that is accessebile to the collector. I’d ultimately like to get ahold of one that was carried in the European theater of WWII if it possible to determine that sort of thing. 

[Garufa]

11 minutes ago, Chucktshoes said:

To those of y’all more experienced with milsurps, is there a way to determine where they were issued, saw service? I don’t know if that info is tracked by serial number or what in way that is accessebile to the collector. I’d ultimately like to get ahold of one that was carried in the European theater of WWII if it possible to determine that sort of thing. 

There is no way at all to determine that unless you find one a GI stuffed into his duffel bag on the way home and he actually documented it convincingly. 

I have no idea how the US supply chain works but I do know that any records that where kept regarding such things are long gone.  The US military also had an annoying habit (to collectors) of mass rearsenalling or maintaining weapons, even during conflict, literally just after battles, by dissassabling bunches of weapons and throwing all the parts into this bin or that for the next guy to clean and inspect, then to next to reassemble.

Euopean military weapons generally had the serial number or a portion of it stamped on every major component.  They were much better about keeping things together.

Edited May 18, 2018 by Garufa

[peejman]

Think people have been bugging them about it?    Amusing indeed. 

[Chucktshoes]

14 minutes ago, Garufa said:

There is no way at all to determine that unless you find one a GI stuffed into his duffel bag on the way home and he actually documented it convincingly. 

I have no idea how the US supply chain works but I do know that any records that where kept regarding such things are long gone.  The US military also had an annoying habit (to collectors) of mass rearsenalling or maintaining weapons, even during conflict, literally just after battles, by dissassabling bunches of weapons and throwing all the parts into this bin or that for the next guy to clean and inspect, then to next to reassemble.

Euopean military weapons generally had the serial number or a portion of it stamped on every major component.  They were much better about keeping things together.

Good to know. Even if to understand that the claims about a specific item I find for sale are likely bunk. 

 

Now, if anyone has a gun that their Great Uncle Ted used to shoot Nazis lying around, I might be interested. 

[Garufa]

12 minutes ago, Chucktshoes said:

Good to know. Even if to understand that the claims about a specific item I find for sale are likely bunk. 

 

Now, if anyone has a gun that their Great Uncle Ted used to shoot Nazis lying around, I might be interested. 

Another thing to consider but not entirely related to provenance for those interested is the military stopped buying 1911’s at the end of WWII.  As in all contracts were cancelled at the end of the war, just like with M1 Carbines.

Those old pistols remained in service until the Beretta was adopted in the 80’s.

[KahrMan]

2 hours ago, Garufa said:

Another thing to consider but not entirely related to provenance for those interested is the military stopped buying 1911’s at the end of WWII.  As in all contracts were cancelled at the end of the war, just like with M1 Carbines.

Those old pistols remained in service until the Beretta was adopted in the 80’s.

Almost but not entirely.  USMC Spec Ops bought Colt M45A1 CQB 1911's.  A little over a year ago USMC sent 1000 of these pistols back to Colt to be replaced by the same model but with a different coating.  They did not like the way the cerakote held up.  Of the 1000 pistols, 477 were carried in theater by spec op groups and 523 sat in their armory and were not issued.

 

I was lucky enough to be able to buy one of each.  Here is a pic of the one carried by a Marine and the letter from Colt authenticating the pistol.  

 

[Ronald_55]

I agree this is a lot of work. I looked into it all when tgey first announced them. You would think they were selling them for $200 on a Black Friday Special to require this much. I would have to join a club that I might never use just to be eligible. I would like one, but I doubt I would shell out the cash. I am not really a collector though. Plus if I bought it, I would feel obligated not to resell it at a profit after that much work even if I could.

[Grayfox54]

I'd like to have one, and do plan to download the order packet on June 4th.  But I'm seriously thinking about taking a wait and see attitude. Rumors indicate  that these pistols are pretty rough. But those are just rumors.  I want to at least see some pictures of them before I commit. Besides, they are only selling 8000 this year and will be selling no more than 10,000 each year until they're gone. So I figure that's at least 10 years to try for one. 

I expect the CMP server will likely crash on June 4th due to the vast amount of people downloading the order packets. I have no doubt that all of these pistols will sell quickly. Its all up to the luck of the draw. 

[Moped]

We still had 1911a1s in Desert Storm.  Ours were pretty decent pistols, but while we were at Ft. Bragg waiting to be deployed, the AMU took all our weapons and inspected and repaired/upgraded where needed.  I was told that they took all the ,45s and replaced all the springs, screws, pins and any out of spec parts.  They were a pretty good batch of .45s after that.  

But while over there, I saw a lot of the old warhorses that were just about totally ragged out.  Case in point, as the ground offensive was about to kick off a Battalion Commander from a regular Army unit visited our HQ to coordinate a leap frog movement.  I escorted him to our TOC and noticed that his grips were held on by one screw.  I asked him if he would like me to fix that, while he was meeting with our staff.  He was much appreciative and told me that his unit lacked spare parts.  I took his pistol and to our Armorer who replaced all his grip screws, along with the extractor, which was also broken.  Our pistols were all in much better condition than theirs.  I believe his unit was from Ft. Carson.

I expect that the ones from CMP will be functional shooters after they go through the process, but since I only have shooters and not collector pieces, they're price tag is just too high for me.  I'd rather go purchase a Rock Island or Springfield Government model and spend the money I save on ammo.

Edited May 19, 2018 by Moped

[tntnixon]

The “club” membership has always been the bitch about the cmp. You look at the list and most are either closed or for some subgroup of s subgroup that I will never qualify for . I’ve always wondered how one forms a club that qualifies for cmp membership. Could TGO become an affiliate club? Wondering minds ...

[Garufa]

3 hours ago, tntnixon said:

The “club” membership has always been the bitch about the cmp. You look at the list and most are either closed or for some subgroup of s subgroup that I will never qualify for . I’ve always wondered how one forms a club that qualifies for cmp membership. Could TGO become an affiliate club? Wondering minds ...

You can join the Garand Collectors Association for $25. 

[cybernorris]

GSSF is also a qualifying "club".. and you end up with a coupon for a blue label Glock at each anniversary. (go for multi-year membership and get that coupon up front).

[A.J. Holst]

Did I read the total to be sold is 80,000?

8,000 - 10,000 per year until supply exhausted?

I'm willing to wait until they figure out the sale and delivery is such a pain that demand drops...

Shame we can't get a million M1 carbines from Korea and have a fire sale.

[cybernorris]

Agree on the M1s from Korea. I'd much rather have an M1 than a 1911.

I really think they're pricing these for collectors with the recognition that demand will be high. Part of me thinks it would be better to spend the same amount of money on a real 1911... but part of me would like to have a GI issued 1911 as well. This will be a purchase for next year or later, not for this year.

[LCPfraTN]

I hate the cumbersome CMP purchase process for these 1911s and the prices, but I'll probably succumb and send in a packet. I carried one when I was in the USMC, so I've always wanted an authentic GI version. I've got several 1911s that I shoot already, so this will mostly be a safe queen if I get one.

[KahrMan]

They are making you jump through a lot of hoops. The prices are ok but not great but they are a cool piece of history. 

[SonnyCrockett]

These will be surplus 1911s,mix and matched parts...If you are expecting and all original 1911 from ww2 dont hold your breath