Obama calls for new Declaration of Independence

[Oh Shoot]

See, that's the thing, they looked AT skin color. I have seen literally 100's of people since the election here in Memphis that are black that only voted for Obama because he's black. This election was about nothing else than race.

To be fair on that comment, and some others.

- America is less than 13% black population

- Blacks did not vote in any greater % than in previous elections.

- Blacks have always voted about 9:1 for democratic candidate.

So in short, O couldn't have won without the black vote, but neither could any other Democrat.

- OS

[Punisher84]

To be fair on that comment, and some others.

- America is less than 13% black population

- Blacks did not vote in any greater % than in previous elections.

- Blacks have always voted about 9:1 for democratic candidate.

So in short, O couldn't have won without the black vote, but neither could any other Democrat.

- OS

I might be a little more prone to view it as an overall since I live in Memphis and I'm the minority. It still has to do with race, because ultimately I think alot of white people voted out of white guilt.

[Reservoir Dog]

This one I took personally while on patrol at work...

Nice. Support for Obama and the People Nation alliance, all rolled into one. :-\

[FUJIMO]

To be fair on that comment, and some others.

- America is less than 13% black population

- Blacks did not vote in any greater % than in previous elections.

- Blacks have always voted about 9:1 for democratic candidate.

So in short, O couldn't have won without the black vote, but neither could any other Democrat.

- OS

Actually shoot the july 2007 census shows black population at 14% if you count mixed blacks like "O". But that wasn't what did it anyway.

I don't think the black vote got him in as much as the hispanic, legal or not, and the white libs who are afraid of their own shadow.

And what's with every washed up or soon to be washed up celebrity jumping on the OOOOO train ? I couldn't care what sheryl crow, tim robbins,susan sarandon,bruce springstein, sean penn, bono (not american anyway), james taylor, and denzel washington thought before "O" started campaigning, why would I start now.

[Oh Shoot]

Actually shoot the july 2007 census shows black population at 14% if you count mixed blacks like "O". But that wasn't what did it anyway....

Well, speaking of "what did it", how about 13% more of ALL women for O than McCain. All else being equal, that was enough to swing it.

And O did get slightly more % of ALL men than McCain.

So much for that theory of women voting more for security and men for autonomy.

- OS

[FUJIMO]

Well, speaking of "what did it", how about 13% more of ALL women for O than McCain. All else being equal, that was enough to swing it.

And O did get slightly more % of ALL men than McCain.

So much for that theory of women voting more for security and men for autonomy.

- OS

I knew he had the women vote but didn't know he had the men too ! I wonder though, some of that man count, could it be more the san fran, key west type male voter ?

[Oh Shoot]

I knew he had the women vote but didn't know he had the men too ! I wonder though, some of that man count, could it be more the san fran, key west type male voter ?

Well, "all men" would include all kinds of men, eh?

Estimation of male homosexuality in US is 2-10%. Probably about 5%.

So gay alone could swing that stat if equal otherwise.

- OS

[Guest 44M]

well, we can all only guess what is Obama going to do and if he is going to be successful as a president or not, all that is to be seen yet..on the other hand we do know that G.W.Bush sucked as a president and will be remembered as one of the (if not THE ONE) worst presidents in history of United States, as far as the poeple that are being picked by Obama..well, they can`t be worst than the ones we had for the last 8 years..on the other hand, to try to get majority to understand that on here is like a preaching to the quier (SP?)..this is after all a gun forum, right... what am I thinking...

Db

[Guest bkelm18]

well, we can all only guess what is Obama going to do and if he is going to be successful as a president or not, all that is to be seen yet..on the other hand we do know that G.W.Bush sucked as a president and will be remembered as one of the (if not THE ONE) worst presidents in history of United States, as far as the poeple that are being picked by Obama..well, they can`t be worst than the ones we had for the last 8 years..on the other hand, to try to get majority to understand that on here is like a preaching to the quier (SP?)..this is after all a gun forum, right... what am I thinking...

Db

Yes, actually, they can be worse. Much, much worse.

[Guest GUTTERbOY]

Well, "all men" would include all kinds of men, eh?

Estimation of male homosexuality in US is 2-10%. Probably about 5%.

So gay alone could swing that stat if equal otherwise.

- OS

I dunno about that making a difference... my perception is that the gay vote is already going to be largely Democratic. I attribute this to the perception, whether correct or not, that the Repubs are allied with fundamentalist religious folk who tend to be pretty anti-gay-rights.

What might have made the difference is if voter turnout in that category went up this time around and weighted things more on the Dem side.

[Oh Shoot]

Yes, actually, they can be worse. Much, much worse.

Indeed they can get worse.

As you may know, I'm pretty certain they will, regardless of who's in the Oval Orifice.

The light at the end of the tunnel may be an oncoming train.

- OS

[bubbiesdad]

<<Well, you won't like these... don't forget, there was... someone, who was it now?... between Reagan and W...

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NY Times, September 30, 1999

Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending>>

Hey, Clinton's the best Republican president we ever had. Investigate Phil Gramm's 1999 bill which allowed the securitizing of mortgages....that, not Fanny and Freddy which are convenient targets, was probably the main cause of the disaster....removing lenders from direct liability for failed mortgages as govt. insurance did for Fanny and Freddie, but on a much larger scale.

So, what Constitutional rights did your man Klinton violate when he cooked those folks in Waco?

[Guest db99wj]

Well, speaking of "what did it", how about 13% more of ALL women for O than McCain. All else being equal, that was enough to swing it.

And O did get slightly more % of ALL men than McCain.

So much for that theory of women voting more for security and men for autonomy.

- OS

The "Oprah" vote.....

I'm kidding because I only can speculate, but Oprah supported Obama, therefore, uneducated stay at home women (uneducated in the fact that they did not look past what Oprah was doing), voted because of Oprah's support only.

[Steelharp]

If I could find it... dang... the county by county vote map showed the election to be far more republican. The only blue areas were the major population centers, and that made those states that were geographically red swing blue. You know, LA, NY City, etc. All it takes is a +1 vote in any area to make it go one way or the other. Look at our own Naifeh, Jr. fiasco.

[Guest gunslinger707]

<<The way I read these definitions, it appears to me anyways, that we have a lot to worry about. Obama has even called for a National Defense Force equal to the US military which he never explained...and I heard it with my own ears, it is not out of context or a misunderstanding.>>

Seriously...where did you get your "facts." He's calling for a domestic version of the Peace corps...NOT in any way equivalent to the US military.

In the O's own word'shttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7

[Steelharp]

Link's no good...

[Reservoir Dog]

If I could find it... dang... the county by county vote map showed the election to be far more republican. The only blue areas were the major population centers, and that made those states that were geographically red swing blue. You know, LA, NY City, etc.

Here is the 2008 election map by county:

[glockster157]

<<The way I read these definitions, it appears to me anyways, that we have a lot to worry about. Obama has even called for a National Defense Force equal to the US military which he never explained...and I heard it with my own ears, it is not out of context or a misunderstanding.>>

Seriously...where did you get your "facts." He's calling for a domestic version of the Peace corps...NOT in any way equivalent to the US military.

Try this one...the obama civilian national security force,

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They had a longer version but I saw it the day he said it. He was talking about the United State Military and said so, I heard him.

Can you say Brown Shirts?

Edited January 20, 2009 by glockster157
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[musicman]

Here is the 2008 election map by county:

Alaska was a no-brainer, but check out Oklahoma! The only state in the union that has it right across the board!

[Guest cjr]

See, that's the thing, they looked AT skin color. I have seen literally 100's of people since the election here in Memphis that are black that only voted for Obama because he's black.

This election was about nothing else than race. Riddle me this, when was the last time you saw a president garner this type of support...

This one I took personally while on patrol at work...

We will see if the black community feels the same in 4 years.I have a feeling when they find O doesnt have the power to sign checks to pay for all the CHANGE,they may not consider him Afro American.

[Rightwinger]

Fixed it for ya

[Guest bkelm18]

Here is the 2008 election map by county:

My god, look at all that red! It looks like someone got shot and bled god dang freedom loving American blood all over the country. That has somewhat renewed my faith in most of the country.

[Guest gunslinger707]

<<The way I read these definitions, it appears to me anyways, that we have a lot to worry about. Obama has even called for a National Defense Force equal to the US military which he never explained...and I heard it with my own ears, it is not out of context or a misunderstanding.>>

Seriously...where did you get your "facts." He's calling for a domestic version of the Peace corps...NOT in any way equivalent to the US military.

Try this one...the obama civilian national security force,

They had a longer version but I saw it the day he said it. He was talking about the United State Military and said so, I heard him.

Can you say Brown Shirts?

Thank's Glockster157 that's what i was trying to post. NOT very Computer litterate here

[Guest nraforlife]

Join the TNSG if you want to volunteer. We need lots of good members.

[Guest dotsun]

Thank's Glockster157 that's what i was trying to post. NOT very Computer litterate here

Wow Ralph, that's the second point you've tried to pass as fact that's been shot down in flames. I guess it's easier to preach to the (brainwashed) choir at tea parties than it is to actually debate in a forum with free thinkers where you have to back up your statements with facts.

Actually it's more than the second point. I forgot about the requisite liberal Bush is a fascist comment you made earlier, but who's counting?