Las Vegas Shooting

[Sam1]

6 hours ago, Steelharp said:

Saw this, and it does make one wonder.

I seen that and chalked it up to stupid.

He didn't remove any windows, you can see shards of glass hanging in the frame in every video played the next morning.  Then, WTF is a sniper's nest?  And he didn't disarm the smoke alarms, that's what gave away the exact position.  He didn't disarm any security system, and no one knows how much training he had, or what his motives were.

The only thing that meme has proper is that the creator sounds confused by starting off with "let me get this straight...."

[Erik88]

8 hours ago, Steelharp said:

Saw this, and it does make one wonder.

1) he carried the equipment over the course of a few days. This isn't that difficult. They do have elevators....

2) what snipers nest? He broke out a few windows, set up a few rifles and started shooting.

3)I haven't seen any evidence that he disabled anything. The smoke detectors going off is part of how they were able to find what room he was in. 

4) again, he didn't remove any windows. He broke them.

5) Who says he had no training? He was a shooter for at least 25 years. One doesn't need much training to fire into a crowd of 20k people. 

6) The lack of motive is the only part of this that is unknown. We may never know or we might find out this week.

ETA, didn't realize Sam beat me to it. 

Edited October 5, 2017 by Erik88

[FUJIMO]

1 hour ago, Sam1 said:

I seen that and chalked it up to stupid.

He didn't remove any windows, you can see shards of glass hanging in the frame in every video played the next morning.  Then, WTF is a sniper's nest?  And he didn't disarm the smoke alarms, that's what gave away the exact position.  He didn't disarm any security system, and no one knows how much training he had, or what his motives were.

The only thing that meme has proper is that the creator sounds confused by starting off with "let me get this straight...."

I hope the creator didn't slit his wrist with all that tin foil keyboard kung fu

[GlockSpock]

Here are some observations that I find interesting, nothing more.

• I find it interesting that he "offed" himself. I suppose he was truly terrified of being taken in alive or painfully taken out. He set up cameras to watch for the police's arrival. He shot through a door and hit a security guard. He surely would have known he would have died when the police showed up if he showed them resistance/force. I suppose I would have just assumed he would have fought it out with police until they killed him.
• His attire. I didn't look through all the images, only the less gruesome ones. It looked like he was wearing slacks and loafers. He did not plan on getting into any conflict at all. Even if he wanted to "blend in" with the typical Vegas scene, he could have easily put on some quality boots and more useful pants. He could have bundled them in with the weapons. So this reinforces that he truly had no interest in escaping or fighting.
• Referring to the theory that he was a patsy, I can see why many people are quick to gravitate towards that. Look at all the movies we have to insinuate that exact thing happens all the time! Shooter is the first and foremost that comes to mind. Create a movie about a guy that uses a precision rifle to assassinate a single target in the crowd and then sprays hundreds of bullets into the crowd immediately afterwards to mask the true goal of the thing, all the while setting someone innocent up and escaping themselves, you'd have an instant blockbuster! Unfortunately, some of these things are hard to prove/disprove due to the amount of evidence provided to us the citizenry. Can any of use analyze every camera at the hotel to determine whether anyone left the scene before police arrived? I don't think so. So anyone that wants to believe "it could have happened" can very well do just that, without any solid concrete evident directly available to contradict that theory. That is, assuming that this same person does not take the official story at its word. With that being said, assuming that a person believes the shooter and his girlfriend were actually a couple, and that he actually sent her away beforehand, that seems to indicate he foresaw something.

[bigun]

I have like most of you have seen and read most of these stories. I'm not saying if they're true or not but I do have one question that I can't find an answer to. ...........How the hell did they get the grassy mound out of that room so fast. 

[GlockSpock]

I have like most of you have seen and read most of these stories. I'm not saying if they're true or not but I do have one question that I can't find an answer to. ...........How the hell did they get the grassy mound out of that room so fast. 

 

Grassy mound? It’s going over my head.

 

 

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[john455]

2 minutes ago, CZ9MM said:

 

Grassy mound? It’s going over my head.

 

 

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the grassy knoll (IE) JFK assignation theory 

[Steelharp]

I sincerely appreciate you guys with experience and expertise answering my questions and helping clarify things for me.

[monkeylizard]

17 hours ago, gregintenn said:

Could be. it doesn't look real useful/comfortable in any fashion I can fathom.

I can think of a few hookerific uses for a piece of furniture shaped like that.

[bigun]

58 minutes ago, john455 said:

the grassy knoll (IE) JFK assignation theory 

Sorry bad choice of words. Now excuse me I have to go to the store. Hope they're not out of tin foil yet.

 

[MP5_Rizzo]

1 hour ago, CZ9MM said:

Can any of use analyze every camera at the hotel to determine whether anyone left the scene before police arrived? I don't think so.

I would say it is safe to say Vegas probably has more security cameras than any other city in the USA.  I firmly believe they could tell us every time he or anyone else entered and exited that hallway.  That is unless, whoever put the Shooter movie move on this guy (I'm not implying that I believe this but just playing along with the direction some people are thinking) was smart enough to compromise the equipment to prevent any post event discoveries.

[GlockSpock]

I would say it is safe to say Vegas probably has more security cameras than any other city in the USA.  I firmly believe they could tell us every time he or anyone else entered and exited that hallway.  That is unless, whoever put the Shooter movie move on this guy (I'm not implying that I believe this but just playing along with the direction some people are thinking) was smart enough to compromise the equipment to prevent any post event discoveries.

But it doesn’t matter. Even if you showed every security camera to someone dedicated to conspiracy, they can always fall back to MK Ultra.


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[MP5_Rizzo]

8 minutes ago, CZ9MM said:

But it doesn’t matter. Even if you showed every security camera to someone dedicated to conspiracy, they can always fall back to MK Ultra.

Yep

[xsubsailor]

This guy has been planning for quite a while.

Las Vegas shooter booked rooms facing Lollapalooza music festival in Chicago in August

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/10/05/las-vegas-shooter-had-booked-room-augchicago-augumay-have-had-help-but-investigators-have-no-idea-wh/734824001/

[Omega]

42 minutes ago, MP5_Rizzo said:

I would say it is safe to say Vegas probably has more security cameras than any other city in the USA.  I firmly believe they could tell us every time he or anyone else entered and exited that hallway.  That is unless, whoever put the Shooter movie move on this guy (I'm not implying that I believe this but just playing along with the direction some people are thinking) was smart enough to compromise the equipment to prevent any post event discoveries.

Ever had to sit through hours and hours of video looking for one person or event which could of happened,  or not? It will be released, just going to take awhile.  The only video I'm interested in is from the perps camera.  The suicide photo is pretty telling in and of itself, it had just happened. All the outside analysis of a second shooter, so far, has holes, many holes.

[GlockSpock]

This guy has been planning for quite a while.

Las Vegas shooter booked rooms facing Lollapalooza music festival in Chicago in August

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/10/05/las-vegas-shooter-had-booked-room-augchicago-augumay-have-had-help-but-investigators-have-no-idea-wh/734824001/

 

What’s more interesting to me from that article are the supposed plans for him to survive and escape.

 

Wish we could hear more about that.

 

 

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[MikeW]

What is with the slidefire prices? will they not be just a piece of junk plastic in a few week's/month's?

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/704772921

[GlockSpock]

What is with the slidefire prices? will they not be just a piece of junk plastic in a few week's/month's?
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/704772921

Current supply and current demand vs theoretical future supply. Simple really.

Also keep in mind, most of the assaults on the 2nd have included some form or fashion of a grandfather clause.


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[GlockSpock]

Police mention the note, but not specifically what was on it:

https://splinternews.com/police-reveal-that-las-vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock-lef-1819168967

It is my understanding that he was only firing for about 10 minutes. It was a good bit before responders arrived on scene. I wonder...purely hypothetical, if he had planned on shooting a bit and then disappear whenever he could, if he could. However, what he did not account for was the fire alarm going off from the smoke. The alarm may have caused him to panic and as such derailed any plans he had.

[2.ooohhh]

I only wish to speak to the assumed cameras all over casinos and las vegas hotels. As someone who has installed cameras for a casino/hotel I can tell you that they are very security aware but not in the way of a government building or military installation. Each craps table inside may have a total of 6 or 7 camera angles on it some some being very high power PTZ or IP cameras with VERY HIGH resolution lenses. Each floor of the attached hotel I installed had a pair of very simple IP cameras on each LONG hall and a camera at each elevator bank/stairs exit. Not to play to the conspiracy theory's per-say but at the casino I installed one would only have had to disable 2 or three cameras max to make a clean getaway into the stairwell from a room once the building is being evacuated.

[No_0ne]

13 hours ago, CZ9MM said:

Emphasize (How does Flightaware and aircraft registration work)?

I skimmed the articles. It was sort of funny. One of them claimed that the transcript on one of the UK sites revealed that the "FBI hostage rescue" team killed the shooter. So I click the link, read the transcript, and see nothing of the sort.

Flightaware tracks flights of aircraft in the ATC system, either IFR or VFR with flight following.  If you perform a flight in VFR conditions, do not file any sort of flightplan, don't have an active transponder, and in many areas of the country fly outside of radar coverage (either due to altitude or lack of coverage) Flightaware never registers or tracks your flight.  As an example, try looking up the tail numbers of most agricultural planes flying everyday, they don't show as having any active flights.  As for registration, a plane will show as active until it's current certificate is declared void upon expiration, that takes a minimum of 3 years, and the FAA's databases are notoriously slow to update. It appears that N5343M's certificate was in fact voided in 2013, at which time that plane was assigned a new tail number, 145AW, according to the current FAA registration database (both tail numbers belong to a plane with the same serial number, unique transponder code, and manufacturer's number). As for why a new tail number was assigned, who knows, it's not something that occurs every day but is not unheard of, numbers are sometimes changed at the owner's request, expired tail numbers may have been reassigned by the FAA, and some have even been known to change tail numbers after accidents, to make tracing the history of the plane a bit more difficult for prospective buyers. As for the Volant corporation, a quick search shows dozens of "Volant" companies across the US, and many aircraft owners set up LLC's to register their aircraft with, most for tax purposes but there are other valid reasons as well. It's quite a stretch to make these facts into some kind of sinister terrorist plot, you can find hundreds of aircraft across the US with either inactive certificates, sitting neglected on ramps and no longer flying, numerous transfers of ownership, registered under corporate pseudonyms, and  having had previous owners who have become somewhat famous (or infamous) for various reasons.  Somewhere out there is a small plane once owned by Fred Smith, of Fed-ex fame, and an unknown TGO poster who is decidedly contemptuous of conspiracy theories ...

Edited October 5, 2017 by No_0ne
Fat fingers

[Chucktshoes]

The boys at Negotiating Rights Away are at it again. 

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/05/nra-calls-for-federal-review-of-whether-bump-fire-stocks-comply-with-current-law-243500

[Sam1]

This entire slidefire debacle is nothing short of comical.  No one wanted one at all until someone said something about a potential ban.  Now the price has went up 500% LOL.

With all of these slidefires being sold, do you all believe it would be a good time to invest in ammo companies before they arrive to the buyers?

[Sam1]

2 minutes ago, Chucktshoes said:

The boys at Negotiating Rights Away are at it again. 

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/05/nra-calls-for-federal-review-of-whether-bump-fire-stocks-comply-with-current-law-243500

honestly I have no issue with it at all, it's the same exact thing as attaching a $250  sliding stock to my MP5 and having to pay the $200 extortion...I mean stamp fee.

Both are ridiculous, and while I hate to give any ground at all, if it keeps the eyes off semi-autos for a few years, then *poof* let slidefires be regulated.

[RED333]

We have enough slippery sloops to fight as it is.