Zack Adams

[bersaguy]

I don't know if anyone has been following the Holly Bobo Murder trial but it ended today with a guilty verdict on all 8 counts he was charged with and tomorrow the jury tells his sentence which could be death sentence on any one of the first 3 charges. They has zero physical evidence in this case and most of the case was based on testimony of other people connected to the crime and are also going to be charged and tried for the crime and cell phone tower pings of all cell phones involved. It appears that everyone turned snitch to nail Zack Adams to maybe later get to cut a plea deal to avoid the death sentence when they get charged and go to trial. I am not sure about all of that stuff and games they played to get this conviction. Bad guys snitching out other bad guys and testifying in court in a Premetated 1st degree Murder case with death sentence on the line.

When ask of the jury if they were familiar with the crime every one of them said yes and they used them anyway. The defense even had 2 TBI agaents say that Zack was not the man that killed Holly Bobo and the jury did not believe the 2 agents but believe the criminals testimonies.................I think the entire judicial system has gone to hell in a handbag. I'm not saying he didn't commit the crime but I do think that the trial was a total farce..................JMHO

I might should have put this in the swamp and if it needs to be moved please do so..........

Edited September 22, 2017 by bersaguy
Maybe the swamp!!

[MacGyver]

Everything about this incident was horrible - including the trial. 

[221 Fireball]

Fricken drugs again. Could you imagine the crime drop in this country if the drug problem was addressed and a real effort made to clean it up? Shootings, robberies, car theft, gun theft ... all of it would nose dive.

I'm no saint, and a little beer buzz now and then is good for R&R, but I can't even relate to needles, crack, meth, etc., and the life that rolls around all that.

My goal in life has always been to live as long as I could, not hasten my departure.

[Defender]

As a former cop, im a law and order type guy.  Do the crime do the time.  But the drug issue is killing us.  Lock 'em up aint working.  It may be right, but it just aint working.  Eliminating the source aint working either.  I hate to not have a solution, but its taking over our country, between coming across the borders and #### being made right here...I bet 90 % of the crime in this country is drug related directly or indirectly.

[Chucktshoes]

I've said it before, I'll say it again as many times as it takes. If you really want to do something effective about drug use/abuse then you will stop treating a health issue as a criminal one. I know it will be totally counterintuitive, especially to some of the LE types, but the true path forward is legalization. 

[bersaguy]

41 minutes ago, Chucktshoes said:

I've said it before, I'll say it again as many times as it takes. If you really want to do something effective about drug use/abuse then you will stop treating a health issue as a criminal one. I know it will be totally counterintuitive, especially to some of the LE types, but the true path forward is legalization. 

The only problem I see with legalizing it is for the most part much of it is already legal. There are pain clinics on about every corner these days and for the most part they spend 15 minutes with a patient and then hand them a prescription for 100+ Loritabs and set the an appointment for the next month before they leave. I have known about 5 different people that do that and then they hit the street running selling them for 10 + bucks each. All of them have been caught at least 5+ times for selling prescription drugs and get locked up for about a month of two. Then with all the over crowding issues in jails they are back out and doing the same thing over and over. They are not the users but the sellers. When I found out what they were doing I told each one of them to never come to my house ever again and they have not been here again..................

[ReeferMac]

They made alcohol illegal, the mob got rich.

They make weed, coke, and all kinds of other stuff illegal, the cartels are rich (is 'cartel' spanish for 'mob'? Dunno...)

If people want it, they're going to get it. Doesn't matter what it is, ask any hooker you meet!

 

- K
 

[john455]

20 hours ago, bersaguy said:

The only problem I see with legalizing it is for the most part much of it is already legal. There are pain clinics on about every corner these days and for the most part they spend 15 minutes with a patient and then hand them a prescription for 100+ Loritabs and set the an appointment for the next month before they leave. I have known about 5 different people that do that and then they hit the street running selling them for 10 + bucks each. All of them have been caught at least 5+ times for selling prescription drugs and get locked up for about a month of two. Then with all the over crowding issues in jails they are back out and doing the same thing over and over. They are not the users but the sellers. When I found out what they were doing I told each one of them to never come to my house ever again and they have not been here again..................

I am a chronic pain suffer, and I go to a pain clinic. I take my meds as prescribed and do not sell any of them. I know there are a lot of pill mills out there, and I could have probably gotten into one, but I researched and made sure I found a legit Pain Dr who tries other pain management treatment than just loading me up on pain meds. I do take an Opioid pain med, but I also have lidocaine creams, and go to a massage therapist weekly to mitigate the pain to a tolerable level. 

I know the opioid problem is huge right now, and needs to be gotten under control somehow, but all I've seen from the state is new stupid rules for patients.

In the past few months I have had to go to a Psychologist because the state of Tennessee says if I receive long term  pain meds I have to.

I have to keep 2 doses of Narcan in my house, because the State says I have to (which I am not really adverse to but shouldn't be made to do it)

They get tougher on pain meds and surprise heroin starts popping up everywhere, then people are dying because they super charge it with Fentanyl. If people want something like this they will find a way to get it. I have no ideal what the answer is, but hope they find it soon. 

[bersaguy]

1 hour ago, john455 said:

I am a chronic pain suffer, and I go to a pain clinic. I take my meds as prescribed and do not sell any of them. I know there are a lot of pill mills out there, and I could have probably gotten into one, but I researched and made sure I found a legit Pain Dr who tries other pain management treatment than just loading me up on pain meds. I do take an Opioid pain med, but I also have lidocaine creams, and go to a massage therapist weekly to mitigate the pain to a tolerable level. 

I know the opioid problem is huge right now, and needs to be gotten under control somehow, but all I've seen from the state is new stupid rules for patients.

In the past few months I have had to go to a Psychologist because the state of Tennessee says if I receive long term  pain meds I have to.

I have to keep 2 doses of Narcan in my house, because the State says I have to (which I am not really adverse to but shouldn't be made to do it)

They get tougher on pain meds and surprise heroin starts popping up everywhere, then people are dying because they super charge it with Fentanyl. If people want something like this they will find a way to get it. I have no ideal what the answer is, but hope they find it soon. 

I'm sorry that you suffer from chronic pain and I was not speaking about people that actually get the medication and use it for pain. People that have pain definately should be able to receive it. I think the states idea of forcing people to see a Psychologist is totally rediculous. Do they think the guy can talk away your pain? I think the state never makes the correct decision on anyones health situation and need to leave that between the doctor and patient. 

The more the states and laws crack down on the people that actually need the medications your going to see stuff like Meth, Cocaine and Heroin becoming more popular. The reason they come down on people that really need the medicine is because it is easier to put the pressure on doctors and patients than to hunt down the major drug cartels and stop the much more deadly drugs from getting on street corners for sale.

I'm glad you were able to find a pain clinic that is actually concerned about a patients pain. I am sorry your having to jump through all those stupid hoops due to your pain.

 

[n0rlf]

On 9/23/2017 at 9:36 AM, Chucktshoes said:

I've said it before, I'll say it again as many times as it takes. If you really want to do something effective about drug use/abuse then you will stop treating a health issue as a criminal one. I know it will be totally counterintuitive, especially to some of the LE types, but the true path forward is legalization. 

Alchohol is legal, I still see drunk drivers! I still hear of airplane pilots trying to fly drunk. Surgeons doing procedures after a four martini lunch. Bus drivers drunk driving kids home.

Making it legal just takes the criminal aspect away not the behavior of abuse. Humans are humans, they ar easily addicted to some items. Making it legal will just cause more and different issues very similiar to what happened after prohibition ended. The violence did not all end and the abuse surely did not. Just changed so legalizing anything is not the answer.

I do not have the answer as much as I wish I could say I do. So as much as I hate to not be part of the solution I can say I raised my family to not be part of the problem.

[Ugly]

Was the drug problem worse than now before we declared a war on drugs?

i was young then but have a feeling it probably turned out like the war on poverty did. 

If you are lacking core values, it doesn't matter what flavor of bad habit you have. If you had real values that make you a good person, they will win over extreme bad decisions, such as helping to dispose of the body. 

[bersaguy]

8 minutes ago, Ugly said:

Was the drug problem worse than now before we declared a war on drugs?

i was young then but have a feeling it probably turned out like the war on poverty did. 

If you are lacking core values, it doesn't matter what flavor of bad habit you have. If you had real values that make you a good person, they will win over extreme bad decisions, such as helping to dispose of the body. 

For the most part I think the so called War on Drugs is a joke. The only part of this so called war is being taken out on the law abiding citizens that actually do need the medications for real pain and going to real doctors for help.

The actual Street Drugs of Meth, Crack, Cocaine and Heroin where the war should be is slim to none!! Oh yea they bust the street corner pushers and lock them up and before they get them to the police station another one takes his place on the corner. When they actually declare War on Drugs they will take down the people that are supplying the street corner salesmen.

Another thing I don't understand is we are suppose to have a War on Drugs in this country and there are states that are legalizing them!!!!! I guess those states have figured out it is easier to join the drug cartels than it is to fight them????

Yea, I know it's just Marijuana some will say but what is next???

[n0rlf]

On 9/23/2017 at 9:36 AM, Chucktshoes said:

I've said it before, I'll say it again as many times as it takes. If you really want to do something effective about drug use/abuse then you will stop treating a health issue as a criminal one. I know it will be totally counterintuitive, especially to some of the LE types, but the true path forward is legalization. 

Alchohol is legal, I still see drunk drivers! I still hear of airplane pilots trying to fly drunk. Surgeons doing procedures after a four martini lunch. Bus drivers drunk driving kids home.

Making it legal just takes the criminal aspect away not the behavior of abuse. Humans are humans, they ar easily addicted to some items. Making it legal will just cause more and different issues very similiar to what happened after prohibition ended. The violence did not all end and the abuse surely did not. Just changed so legalizing anything is not the answer.

I do not have the answer as much as I wish I could say I do. So as much as I hate to not be part of the solution I can say I raised my family to not be part of the problem.

 

Chucktshoes I see you found this comment funny as in HA HA. Would you care to enlighten us as to what part of the drug problems we see in this country is the funny part? 

What I find funny (Not amusing) is that people keep reelecting the same idiots that got us here and are ot part of the solution.

We have a war on everything and that includes morals and standards which explains a lot of the other issues in itself. So while I do not find anything funny about the war on drugs and I too am caught up in it as a Disabled Veteran who cannot get the proper care because of people abusing the meds I will continue to hope for a solution.

Perhaps a little less progressive thinking or whatever the heck they are teaching in colleges would help. Too many spoiled brats that think they are owed something because they went into huge debt and spent four years learning how to basket weave and spek philosophy at a college. Well there is a reason I tend to hire folks with experience over folks with a degree. Most of the folks with degrees from the last 20 years are absolutely lost. Want everything for nothing and seem to have the same answer for everything. It is the rich business owners fault.

Perhaps a smack in the rear parts or a fly swatter on the butt will wake them up. Preaching how drugs should be legal is nothing more than a talking point. Which is why we hear it most from the Hollywierd folks.  It is a buzzword type arguement. Not really a good one at that as all of the folks preaching it still come down with the same points to discuss, nonoe of them valid I am afraid in my opinion but hey, first ammendment and all that so have at the argument.

Until people learn morals and ethics nothing anyone does will have an impact on those that are willing to break a law be it of man or nature. I know it is awful cynical but you tend to get that way as you get older. Bottom line is if you want a good life and good things then you better have a good work ethic. Or a rich family. One builds character while the other builds bull####.

So, Chucktshoes which part of this drug war or my comment did you find funny? 

Now keep in mind as a cynical old man that is actually a rhetorical question. I respect your right to an opinion and to voice it. What I do not have to do though is agree with it. That is a major issue from the "Progressive" front thesee days. They just will not see any other view point and refuse to think that we swhould not bow to theirs. Well I for one tend to think that it is time we stop bowwing annd start spanking more. The country tried the touchy feely everyone wins thing and it did not work. Time to go back to what did. 

 

 

[Chucktshoes]

2 hours ago, n0rlf said:

Alchohol is legal, I still see drunk drivers! I still hear of airplane pilots trying to fly drunk. Surgeons doing procedures after a four martini lunch. Bus drivers drunk driving kids home.

Making it legal just takes the criminal aspect away not the behavior of abuse. Humans are humans, they ar easily addicted to some items. Making it legal will just cause more and different issues very similiar to what happened after prohibition ended. The violence did not all end and the abuse surely did not. Just changed so legalizing anything is not the answer.

I do not have the answer as much as I wish I could say I do. So as much as I hate to not be part of the solution I can say I raised my family to not be part of the problem.

Please tell me you're not serious. If you are, then you failed to learn any of the lessons that the end of prohibition taught us.  I mean, when was the last time that Anheuser-Busch and Coors had their employees get into a shoot out over who controlled what territory for distribution?  Will legalization end the instances of when the addict gets high/drunk and beats his wife? No. But prohibition doesn't stop that either. Will legalization end the campaigns of terror waged by large well-funded criminal organizations to control distribution and territory?  If the way the end of prohibition brought the gangster era of the 1920s to a screeching halt is any clue, then the answer is absolutely yes it will.  Legalization won't solve every problem, but it will greatly reduce the harm and funding of large criminal organizations that make the trade of narcotics so deadly. But just  like the end of prohibition, the gangsters will find another way to wage their campaigns of terror on the citizenry, just like they did last time when they enacted the 34 NFA. 

[ReeferMac]

1 hour ago, n0rlf said:

 That is a major issue from the "Progressive" front these days. They just will not see any other view point and refuse to think that we swhould not bow to theirs. Well I for one tend to think that it is time we stop bowing and start spanking more. The country tried the touchy feely everyone wins thing and it did not work. Time to go back to what did. 

 

 

AMEN!!!!!!!!

[Ugly]

The approach of cutting off meds to those that need it is as bad as banning guns so criminals won't buy them. 

Probably worse because we have people suffering unnecessarily because of the beaurocratic idiocy!

i feel bad for those of you having to suffer at the hands of idiots!!!

A quick search shows that we, taxpayers, have spent over 1 trillion clams in the last 40 years on the war on drugs. Countless lives lost and incarcerated. 

Seems like a business to me. Not saying I condone legalizing drugs at all. But I do think that the regulation nation is all about $ and being our mommy. 

In Mexico, you don't need a prescription for meds that a Doc says you need. Here, you do for some stuff that should be over the counter. Heck, you do for pet meds! Even some pet foods. 

Its not baffling when you see it's a career field and we don't push back. 

If someone wants to buy Viagra or some pain killer, so be it, let them, if they do themselves in with it, so be it. 

The way it is now, there is more violence and mayhem because of regulation. 

Edited September 24, 2017 by Ugly

[bersaguy]

2 hours ago, Ugly said:

The approach of cutting off meds to those that need it is as bad as banning guns so criminals won't buy them. 

Probably worse because we have people suffering unnecessarily because of the beaurocratic idiocy!

i feel bad for those of you having to suffer at the hands of idiots!!!

A quick search shows that we, taxpayers, have spent over 1 trillion clams in the last 40 years on the war on drugs. Countless lives lost and incarcerated. 

Seems like a business to me. Not saying I condone legalizing drugs at all. But I do think that the regulation nation is all about $ and being our mommy. 

In Mexico, you don't need a prescription for meds that a Doc says you need. Here, you do for some stuff that should be over the counter. Heck, you do for pet meds! Even some pet foods. 

Its not baffling when you see it's a career field and we don't push back. 

If someone wants to buy Viagra or some pain killer, so be it, let them, if they do themselves in with it, so be it. 

The way it is now, there is more violence and mayhem because of regulation. 

I have no issue with a person buying drugs on street corners except it's those drugs that cause crimes like the Holly Bobo murder and home invasions of innocent people and having people harmed for street druggy to get that 10 minutes of happiness. Whole lives are destroyed forever for that 10 minutes of happiness. That guy that testified in the Zack Adams case admitted that a half tablet of Heroine shot up lasted about 10 minutes and the high was gone. Thats just crazy to me but such is life these days. If my home ever get a home invasion I will do my level best to end their drug addiction permanently................JMHO