Oath Keepers Organization

[bersaguy]

I got an email this morning from the Oath Keepers. They have about 300 members in Houston with boats and are working search and rescue. They said that some of their members where actually fire upon by looters while on patrol looking for people in need of help. It was said that the looters were taken into custody by law enforcement. I am surprised they lived to be arrested considering who the bad guys fired at.

 It is a shame that people can be such low life individuals as to loot at a time when so many people are suffering a terrible loss. If the Oath Keepers would have shot back and killed the looters it might have sent a much needed message to other looters that they will be shot if caught.........................

Edited August 30, 2017 by bersaguy

[southernhunter31]

Evil people are opportunists and they usually take advantage of people in distress. Solomon warned about such individuals.(Proverbs 4:13-17)

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[Ugly]

Can you imagine the meltdown the left would have if some lefties, I mean looters were shot for doing what they do?

 

[bersaguy]

22 minutes ago, Ugly said:

Can you imagine the meltdown the left would have if some lefties, I mean looters were shot for doing what they do?

 

I think those looters that shot at the Oath Keeper boats are very very lucky that they just got arrested and not dead considering who they shot at. Most Oath Keepers are either ex military or ex Law Enforcement people and you can bet they are all armed. Had they actually hit someone in any of the boats the bad guys probably would have been killed instead of arrested and I don't think Oath Keepers would have cared who got upset over it........JMHO

[Murgatroy]

I was reading an article that stated all crimes are punishable to double the standard terms during a crisis as declared by the Governor. Meaning that looters could potentially be facing life in prison. Not that I think they would actually be sentenced, but it is fun to think about.

[Ugly]

Don't get me wrong, I think anyone that shoots at someone else should be dealt the hand they pulled. This isn't playtime. 

[MacGyver]

I'm closing this thread because I don't like the direction it's going. 

If someone wants to send me evidence from a reputable news source I'll open it back up.  

[MacGyver]

Okay, @Randall53 sent me a link to a report from a Louisiana ABC affiliate with the claims from a Cajun Navy volunteer:

http://wgno.com/2017/08/28/cajun-navy-coming-up-with-new-plan-after-looters-shoot-at-boats-try-to-steal-them/

Though the main Cajun Navy group seems to be distancing itself from the guy making the claims:

http://wgno.com/2017/08/29/update-cajun-navy-says-no-shots-fired-at-rescuers-statements-made-by-another-rescue-group/

I'm going to open the thread back up, but with a strong warning.

2 hours ago, Ugly said:

Can you imagine the meltdown the left would have if some lefties, I mean looters were shot for doing what they do?

 

This rhetoric is inexcusable. Period.

Using a potentially made up story to link a group of hypothetical criminals to a people who disagree with you politically is dangerous. Especially when the post imagines violence.

Oath Keepers is already listed as a hate group.  Try visiting their website from your office.  You know what'll likely happen? Nothing because it's blocked by your employer's internet filter. But, your internal IP will show up as visiting sites affiliated with hate groups.  

We'd like to keep TGO off of those lists.  Appreciate your help.

[Randall53]

 

 

34 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

Oath Keepers is already listed as a hate group.  Try visiting their website from your office.  You know what'll likely happen? Nothing because it's blocked by your employer's internet filter. But, your internal IP will show up as visiting sites affiliated with hate groups.  

We'd like to keep TGO off of those lists.  Appreciate your help.

I'd never heard of the Oath Keepers until I saw this and did a quick search. They have a facebook page and a YouTube channel, I did see that, but the words Far-Right, Militia, Anti government, etc... are words repeated by most definitions in a Google search. 

Also, none of the articles mentioned Oath Keepers, only a group called Cajun Navy. 

I agree we don't want to be on those lists for sure!

Edited August 31, 2017 by Randall53

[MacGyver]

3 minutes ago, Randall53 said:

 

 

I'd never heard of the Oath Keepers until I saw this and did a quick search. They have a facebook page and a YouTube channel, I did see that, but the words Far-Right, Militia, Anti government, etc... are words repeated by most definitions in a Google search. 

Also, none of the articles mentioned Oath Keepers, only a group called Cajun Navy. 

I agree we don't want to be on those lists for sure!

As close as I can tell - and someone please feel free to send more if you have it, the Oath Keepers email is referencing this guy.  Full transparency, here's the email Oath Keepers sent out:

https://www.oathkeepers.org/urgent-call-to-action-texas/ - note this links to the Oath Keepers site - so be advised if you're at work.

And, this shouldn't belittle what the Cajun Navy group is doing at all - those guys are doing work that our federal agencies aren't capable of doing right now. And, they've distanced themselves from the guy making the claim of being shot at.

[Ugly]

Well, I didn't mean to ruffle feathers but the way I see it is there are conservatives and lefties, that's it. Look at our governor as an example, he sure isn't a conservative. 

True conservatives believe in do unto others. They wouldn't be looters. 

I have never heard of the oath keepers as a hate group either. I can only assume it is listed that way by the southern poverty law center which is not a reputable and bipartisan firm. 

http://www.conservapedia.com/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2013/07/25/oath-keepers-rally-reveals-radical-politics-group

this seems like rhetoric to me. Of course I could be missing something since I've become so shallow in my political beliefs. 

If I am mistaken please educate me. Not trying to be argumentative, I really believe there are only two political groups at this point. 

[Murgatroy]

I believe there are far more than just two political groups. However I think that the argument gets everyone lumped into either us or them. 

 

I identify as a conservative. However in reality I am very liberal. I believe that the government should not tell me who to love or how to spend my money. I believe that the government should not tell me what I can say or what I can own. I believe that EVERYONE in life has the ability to make their own choices, and live with the consequences of those choices. That should be done with no input, or cajoling from someone who was not in those shoes at the time that decision was made.

I might be wrong, but I don't think I am. I think there are many others like myself on the site who prefer to stay out of the discussions due to an Us vs. Them mentality.

 

Burn me now if you must. 

I am a gun toting, pro-choice, fiscally conservative, LBGTQ supporting, morally strong, happily married parent of an extraordinary child who owns his own home, works with his hands everyday and pays his taxes, bills and student loans. But above all, I am an American.

 

I believe that America, and Americans can be whatever they want. But dammit, not if we keep fighting among ourselves trying to force everyone to think the same way.

 

Edited August 31, 2017 by Murgatroy

[Chucktshoes]

I used to align myself with the the Oathkeepers and was at one point a dues paying member. When I moved beyond thinking that the constitution held any value, I also moved beyond them. While their central leadership is only mildly fringey, the rank and file tends to lean very fringey in my experience. Contrary to the crap spewed by the folks at the Southern Preposterous Lie Center, they do actually do a lot of good. At the same time, they're also rife with these kind of assclowns*. 

 

*I do not know if these guys are actually associated with OK, but only use this as an being indicative of the negative aspects of the membership. These folks do appear to possibly be affiliated with some sort of LE org by the crest on their shirts as well as the Safariland duty belts, though it isn't clear enough to be 100% certain. What is clear is that they are morons. 

Edited August 31, 2017 by Chucktshoes

[mikegideon]

On 8/30/2017 at 10:25 PM, Murgatroy said:

I believe there are far more than just two political groups. However I think that the argument gets everyone lumped into either us or them. 

 

I identify as a conservative. However in reality I am very liberal. I believe that the government should not tell me who to love or how to spend my money. I believe that the government should not tell me what I can say or what I can own. I believe that EVERYONE in life has the ability to make their own choices, and live with the consequences of those choices. That should be done with no input, or cajoling from someone who was not in those shoes at the time that decision was made.

I might be wrong, but I don't think I am. I think there are many others like myself on the site who prefer to stay out of the discussions due to an Us vs. Them mentality.

 

Burn me now if you must. 

I am a gun toting, pro-choice, fiscally conservative, LBGTQ supporting, morally strong, happily married parent of an extraordinary child who owns his own home, works with his hands everyday and pays his taxes, bills and student loans. But above all, I am an American.

 

I believe that America, and Americans can be whatever they want. But dammit, not if we keep fighting among ourselves trying to force everyone to think the same way.

 

W

Edited September 1, 2017 by mikegideon

[TGO David]

3 hours ago, Chucktshoes said:

I used to align myself with the the Oathkeepers and was at one point a dues paying member. When I moved beyond thinking that the constitution held any value, I also moved beyond them. While their central leadership is only mildly fringey, the rank and file tends to lean very fringey in my experience. Contrary to the crap spewed by the folks at the Southern Preposterous Lie Center, they do actually do a lot of good. At the same time, they're also rife with these kind of assclowns*. 

 

*I do not know if these guys are actually associated with OK, but only use this as an being indicative of the negative aspects of the membership. These folks do appear to possibly be affiliated with some sort of LE org by the crest on their shirts as well as the Safariland duty belts, though it isn't clear enough to be 100% certain. What is clear is that they are morons. 

That is possibly the worst Photoshop job I have ever seen.

Not taking up for the Oathkeepers, here, but come on... have you ever seen a spray can that patterns like that?!

 

[tnhawk]

Someone needs to improve their skill of English and Photoshop.

[nightrunner]

I'm disappointed that out of 5 guys, not a single one has a tactical kilt. Amateurs.

[MacGyver]

The interesting thing about the SPLC is that it doesn't really matter how we feel about them.  If we were to get listed, there are some of us - because of the nature of our work - just won't be able to  one out to play anymore.  

 

[Wingshooter]

5 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

The interesting thing about the SPLC is that it doesn't really matter how we feel about them.  If we were to get listed, there are some of us - because of the nature of our work - just won't be able to  one out to play anymore.  

 

Do you mean because the site would get blocked by various filters at some places of business, or is there more to it that I'm not considering?

[Ugly]

8 hours ago, Murgatroy said:

I believe there are far more than just two political groups. However I think that the argument gets everyone lumped into either us or them. 

 

I identify as a conservative. However in reality I am very liberal. I believe that the government should not tell me who to love or how to spend my money. I believe that the government should not tell me what I can say or what I can own. I believe that EVERYONE in life has the ability to make their own choices, and live with the consequences of those choices. That should be done with no input, or cajoling from someone who was not in those shoes at the time that decision was made.

I might be wrong, but I don't think I am. I think there are many others like myself on the site who prefer to stay out of the discussions due to an Us vs. Them mentality.

 

Burn me now if you must. 

I am a gun toting, pro-choice, fiscally conservative, LBGTQ supporting, morally strong, happily married parent of an extraordinary child who owns his own home, works with his hands everyday and pays his taxes, bills and student loans. But above all, I am an American.

 

I believe that America, and Americans can be whatever they want. But dammit, not if we keep fighting among ourselves trying to force everyone to think the same way.

 

You seem conservative to me. I believe as you. I have no ill will towards any group of people for their lifestyle or beliefs unless they try to force it upon everyone else. 

I have known gay people most of my life, I never once judged them for that. Who am I to judge? I don't think our schools should be teaching our elementary schools kids that they should question their assigned sex or how to be gender fluid however. The three R's, that's what school should be about. It's turned in to a socialist indoctrination center. 

i believe in helping our fellow man, treat others with respect and respect our elders. Judge not lest yet be judged yourself. Live within your means and work for what you want. 

The problem here lies with these politicians creating these different alphabet groups so they can divide us. Buy us and make us dependent. 

Forcing the way of others, often a small group upon us. Ignoring the law and reality with actual facts and science to force something upon us is not cool. In fact it goes against the majority and perpetuates fraud.

I think if we all did an honest moral assessment, we would find out more of us are more conservative than we think, that includes some hard lefties. 

The fact that anyone gives the SPLC any value is disturbing and shows weakness in their value system inmo. If you look at the resources in the link I've posted, you will see that they operate on fear and hate against anyone else that isn't as liberal as them. 

While I swore an oath, I believe in that oath to this great nation. I'm not a member of the oath keepers but I still am against tyranny and am for the rule of law. It's that simple. That doesn't mean I "hate" illegal aliens, they are people and I get their plight. But they are in violation of federal law. I could go on but I've bored everyone's eyeballs enough. 

Have a great day and watch out for looters!

Edited August 31, 2017 by Ugly

[Dolomite_supafly]

I was in Rita/Katrina providing security for government employees and equipment. And we started to have to ride with the electricians because people would shoot them as they tried to restore power. I can only presume the shooters were doing it so they could continue to loot. I was at Ford park outside of Houston at one point and we would take fire from the local highway every couple of days. We could see the car but we could never get them. When I was working at Jackson Square in NO we would hear gun fire almost every night and not just a round or two but what sounded like MAJOR gun fights. I have no doubt that there are people who are in Houston being shot at.

[Erik88]

8 hours ago, mikegideon said:

We are pretty close to the same on all counts. The political parties and media are responsible for ginning up most of the hate between people these days. I have just about had it with all of them. 

I'm sorry but I have to point out that you have been one of the more divisive and combative members here. Did you even read his entire post? You've been the main ringleader anytime someone has pointed out Trumps flaws and ridiculed me when I voted 3rd party. Now you're suddenly agreeing with the fact that both parties suck? You may agree with Murgatory but that's certainly not how you've acted lately. 

[bersaguy]

I'm sorry if I posted this thread and it has caused a division of any sort to our members. That was not my intentions at all. I just wanted to show a group of Americans that were stepping up and doing all they could do to help the people in the eye of Harvey and were being shot at for their help. I am proud to see the outpouring that is being shown by the people from all across the country that is AMERICA!!! to help provide aid and anything else they can do.

It is disasters like these that show what this great country is made of and that is people taking care of anyone that needs help. It is what makes me proud to be an American.........JMHO

[GlockSpock]

I myself identify as a libertarian.

I’m also sure it’s fair to say that there are “looters” on the right and “honest people” on the left.

Also, I imagine if every single person on this site (TGO) were thrown into a similar situation, a large percentage would do “whatever” necessary to feed your family. This would include looting/stealing food in some cases. It doesn’t make it right but in my opinion it doesn’t necessarily make it wrong either. Grocery store flooded and food going to waste? The inventory is likely insured anyway and may go bad if not consumed. I personally would turn my head to people doing this to survive.

People shooting at rescuers and stealing electronics is a different story, but I think it is fair to say that the people doing this are not exclusively left, right, black, white, etc.


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[mikegideon]

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Edited September 2, 2017 by mikegideon