Aguila 12 Gauge MINISHELL - Double your capacity?

[Ronald_55]

I got an email from AmmoFast.com today that showed "Aguila 12 Gauge MINISHELL". Has anyone used these? Looks like they come in 7.5 shot, slug and buckshot. They are 1 3/4 Inch, so they are touting that you can double the capacity of your pump. They are not for Semis. Interesting idea I guess if you worry about number of shots. At $1 a round, it is not the cheapest thing ever. The Remington Buckshot I just bought with a rebate comes out to about $0.40 per shot. So thoughts?

Here is a link if anyone want to look.

Buckshot

Slug

I have never bought from AmmoFast, but it seems like thye have lots of gimmick ammo.

Edited July 28, 2017 by Ronald_55
Just noticed the 7.5 shot

[RED333]

The issue has been getting them to feed, I do not have a break open shorty. So I have not tried them.

[Ronald_55]

21 minutes ago, RED333 said:

The issue has been getting them to feed, I do not have a break open shorty. So I have not tried them.

You think they would still be trouble in a pump?

[bersaguy]

I don't see the benefit to these shot shells at a buck a piece. More rounds from a less powerful round? What is really the up side to this?????.............

[Ronald_55]

No idea, that was my thoughts. maythye use them in 3 gun or something to keep from having to reload more???

[dralarms]

I've got my winchester defender loaded with them, if you don't hold the gun level it will have feeding problems but I've never had much of a feeding problem. 

[MacGyver]

The number one rule of shotguns is that if you're not shooting it, you need to be feeding it.  Where most are really lacking is in practicing to reliably develop those skills. 

The Aguilas are fun little lower recoil shells, but all-in-all you'd be way better of spending that money on more of your normal ammo and really honing your skills. 

The shotgun is round for round just about the most destructive personal weapon system we have.  But, when it comes to fighting with one - if you don't have your stuff really squared away it's liable to bite you.  

I'd just go with some 00 buck and call it a day. 

[Ronald_55]

1 minute ago, MacGyver said:

The number one rule of shotguns is that if you're not shooting it, you need to be feeding it.  Where most are really lacking is in practicing to reliably develop those skills. 

The Aguilas are fun little lower recoil shells, but all-in-all you'd be way better of spending that money on more of your normal ammo and really honing your skills. 

The shotgun is round for round just about the most destructive personal weapon system we have.  But, when it comes to fighting with one - if you don't have your stuff really squared away it's liable to bite you.  

I'd just go with some 00 buck and call it a day. 

That is why I bought that 100 rounds of Remington Buckshot. If I need more that 100 rounds in my lifetime then I am SOL.

[Jeb48]

I saw a fairly inexpensive adapter for the Mossberg pump to make it feed them reliable. It was a part that could be swapped in and out fairly quickly, don't remember the details. May be the same type of adapter for other pumps.

Was tempted like you bought price and reliability stopped me.

[Danger Rane]

They are notorious for not cycling in most semi's and some pump actions. I use them in a Stoeger Coach gun with my kids and they love them. I have a trail through the woods behind my house set up like a 3gun course for them, .22lr pistol, 22lr rifle, and a couple different targets for the coach gun requiring them to choose the Aguila buck, slug, or shot. It certainly wouldn't be something I would use as my go to defense round but it has been a great training round and transitional round for people I have taught to use a shotgun. It's also kinda neat that my KSG holds 20 or more and cycles them fine. And I have taken one turkey with the 7.5 shot out of the coach gun without issue, at about 18 yards. 

[nightrunner]

They run about the same velocity but have half the payload. You increase your capacity but decrease the number of pellets per shot by the same percentage. Fun for the range, and that's about it. If you need less than low recoil 12ga, gonna have to step down to 20ga or less. With all the feeding problems they have, I see them as a novelty at best and a liability at worst.

[Will]

The Remington-Federal Low Recoil (Police Loads) that you can now buy anywhere have almost no felt recoil, same with their slugs. Tested some and

00 Buck will go through 1 gal water jug then halfway into a very old thick phonebook. 

[A.J. Holst]

I use this  http://www.luckygunner.com/12-ga-2-3-4-00-buck-federal-law-enforcement-flitecontrol-wad-250-round

It patterns tight enough to hunt with from my 870 Tactical.

[Standeford]

My KSG feeds them fine, or at least as fine as it feeds 2.75" shells. It needs to be worked with authority to feed anything reliably.

The minis pattern quite well, better than anything other than the old estate low recoil buckshot I still have a ton of.

 

 

[mikegideon]

On 7/28/2017 at 2:12 PM, MacGyver said:

The number one rule of shotguns is that if you're not shooting it, you need to be feeding it.  Where most are really lacking is in practicing to reliably develop those skills. 

The Aguilas are fun little lower recoil shells, but all-in-all you'd be way better of spending that money on more of your normal ammo and really honing your skills. 

The shotgun is round for round just about the most destructive personal weapon system we have.  But, when it comes to fighting with one - if you don't have your stuff really squared away it's liable to bite you.  

I'd just go with some 00 buck and call it a day. 

The problem with 00 buck is that it's deadly way past where you can control it with most defensive shotguns. So, you really need slugs and 00 buck for a real fight. And THAT's when feeding the gun get trickier.

[MacGyver]

5 hours ago, mikegideon said:

The problem with 00 buck is that it's deadly way past where you can control it with most defensive shotguns. So, you really need slugs and 00 buck for a real fight. And THAT's when feeding the gun get trickier.

Yeah, I figured for the sake of this conversation if we're talking about mini-shells, single round changeovers and the like may be too much to digest.  

You're dead on, though.  Getting the wrong round out of the gun to replace it with the right one is an act that takes a ton of practice.  

I'd be willing to guess most people have never even seen - much less considered how to do a slug changeover.  

[mikegideon]

3 hours ago, MacGyver said:

Yeah, I figured for the sake of this conversation if we're talking about mini-shells, single round changeovers and the like may be too much to digest.  

You're dead on, though.  Getting the wrong round out of the gun to replace it with the right one is an act that takes a ton of practice.  

I'd be willing to guess most people have never even seen - much less considered how to do a slug changeover.