CEASE AND DESIST

[Guest nraforlife]

I've chosen to ignore the insulting "mall ninja" crap.

But I did make MY choice. I carry OPEN. Do me and others who may wish to carry openly (in accordance with the law, btw) and shove that "concealed is concealed" garbage.

The only thing I ask is that people quit being asses and stop stirring up the by trying to be dime store lawyers and telling businesses how to properly post their stores/property. If a store/property has a NO GUN sign that isn't worded right, and I chose to shop there, it NOT my responsibility to straighten them out BUT at the same time I'm going to make sure my firearm is well hidden from view and not frick it up for everyone else.

[Guest bkelm18]

I've chosen to ignore the insulting "mall ninja" crap.

But I did make MY choice. I carry OPEN. Do me, and others who may wish to carry openly (in accordance with the law, btw), and take your condescending "concealed is concealed" religion and shove it.

:chill:

[Mike.357]

Choosing to ignore the signage is one available option with good concealment.

Ignoring the signage with OC, not so much.

[Guest nraforlife]

Choosing to ignore the signage is one available option with good concealment.

Ignoring the signage with OC, not so much.

You think??? LOL

[Fallguy]

I've chosen to ignore the insulting "mall ninja" crap.

But I did make MY choice. I carry OPEN. Do me, and others who may wish to carry openly (in accordance with the law, btw), and take your condescending "concealed is concealed" religion and shove it.

Wow man....I'm all for OC, I have fought the good fight and defended OC on here myself many times. I think the point of the person you quoted was simply if the sign is iffy and/or especially if it is an off-limits place or the sign is legal, out of site is out of mind. See below.

Choosing to ignore the signage is one available option with good concealment.

Ignoring the signage with OC, not so much.

[ZenDog]

I've chosen to ignore the insulting "mall ninja" crap.

But I did make MY choice. I carry OPEN. Do me, and others who may wish to carry openly (in accordance with the law, btw), and take your condescending "concealed is concealed" religion and shove it.

Apologies G30 (and Punisher). No condescension intended, nor malice towards security personnel- just having fun with words.

We all make our choices and we all have to live with the results, good or bad. Carrying (or not) in violation of the gun control laws is a deep thing to think about, and in my initial post I was on a bit of a sarcastic roll playing with prose so the gravity of this choice was tainted by my sarcasm and humor- apologies, my bad, in that respect.

But it is an important point and a choice we all face. It deserves deep thought.

Protecting my loved ones is more important to me than obeying gun control laws. I am more afraid of not having the means to protect them than I am of getting thrown out of a mall or hospital for carrying. I would rather have a legal problem than the problem of being unable to defend my family. I can live with an arrest record better than I can live with the memory of a family member's death due to my weapon being locked in my vehicle.

Now, obviously, if I choose to protect them by carrying a weapon in a non-permissive environment I have to carry concealed. I accept that my choice might result in legal hassles should I make an error that reveals I am carrying in violation of the gun control regulations.

But, if the weapon is concealed well enough, the only way I can get made is if I get searched, and I have to do something stupid for that to happen. So, barring metal detectors or pat down searches, I think folks who choose to disregard the gun control laws realistically have little to fear while carrying in a properly or improperly posted non-permissive environment.

[Guest sermon8r]

+1000 put brain in gear before opening mouth.

Better to keep quiet and let everyone think you are a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.

[Guest abailey362]

i personally tend to be busy watching for the safety of my family when entering buildings and usually don't tend to notice signs on doors....i mean there are so many, and the main focus should be on the reason we carry, the safety of you and your loved ones....not doors.

[Glock30Owner]

ZenDog, Fallguy, and anyone else I may have offended, I apologize for my less than tactful post. (Titans lose and I have to deal with drunk Ravens fans all night long. Its not an excuse, just a brief explination.) I lost my temper a bit and it was uncalled for.

I accept your apology, ZenDog.

Since I OC exclusively, I never enter anyplace that I notice any type of "no guns" signs, legal or not. They have proven that they don't want my partonage.

Now, government buildings are another matter, I'm going to complain to any and every elected official I can. I'd love to see the day we can walk into the state capitol (or even federal) with our guns and speak to our legislators as they do in Virginia.

[Fallguy]

ZenDog, Fallguy, and anyone else I may have offended, I apologize for my less than tactful post. (Titans lose and I have to deal with drunk Ravens fans all night long. Its not an excuse, just a brief explination.) I lost my temper a bit and it was uncalled for.

That does explain a lot.....

Now, government buildings are another matter, I'm going to complain to any and every elected official I can. I'd love to see the day we can walk into the state capitol (or even federal) with our guns and speak to our legislators as they do in Virginia.

I agree, they issue the permit and are the most "open to the public" buildings there should be. There was a bill to allow carry in the state capitol last year, as with many others it failed. One of the reasons was due to the added cost of having to hire more troopers for security, guess were still not to be fully trusted.

[Guest db99wj]

i personally tend to be busy watching for the safety of my family when entering buildings and usually don't tend to notice signs on doors....i mean there are so many, and the main focus should be on the reason we carry, the safety of you and your loved ones....not doors.

+1000

I'm worried about my children getting hit by cars by dumbass drivers that are blabbing on their cell phones or texting and not watching while driving in the parking lots, I am watching for weirdo's that hang out in public places to make sure that no one grabs someone in my family, I am watching the thugs that are coming in and out, because they do have a right to go shopping for whatever, I am watching for those thieves that might be looking for an easy purse to steal... I am scanning, I am watchful, I am trying to protect my family, not reading signes.

Signs, signs, everywhere there's signs

****in' up the scenery, breakin' my mind

Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign

That does explain a lot.....

I agree, they issue the permit and are the most "open to the public" buildings there should be. There was a bill to allow carry in the state capitol last year, as with many others it failed. One of the reasons was due to the added cost of having to hire more troopers for security, guess were still not to be fully trusted.

Well if they do, blood would flow down the streets...and even if that isn't bad enough, think of the children!

Edited January 11, 2009 by db99wj

[Guest Ggun]

+1000

I'm worried about my children getting hit by cars by dumbass drivers that are blabbing on their cell phones or texting and not watching while driving in the parking lots, I am watching for weirdo's that hang out in public places to make sure that no one grabs someone in my family, I am watching the thugs that are coming in and out, because they do have a right to go shopping for whatever, I am watching for those thieves that might be looking for an easy purse to steal... I am scanning, I am watchful, I am trying to protect my family, not reading signes.

Signs, signs, everywhere there's signs

****in' up the scenery, breakin' my mind

Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign

Well, you could stop carrying your purse around, then maybe you would see the signs.

[Guest nraforlife]

ALL

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT TAKING IT UPON YOURSELF TO TELL A SHOP OWNER THAT HIS/HER SIGNAGE IS WRONG. PLEASE READ THE BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD!! If you want to start a diatribe about OC carry or anything else PLEASE start a new thread!

[Guest 70below]

I think that to those who would argue with the store owner about the incorrect sign, as well as those who would argue with that persons methods, would be far better served devoting their joint energy and attention to CHANGING THE LAW, than to changing their gun owning neighbors mind as to method/place of carry.

[Punisher84]

Well, you could stop carrying your purse around, then maybe you would see the signs.

Thanks again for adding something useful to a discussion.

[Guest Ggun]

I think that to those who would argue with the store owner about the incorrect sign, as well as those who would argue with that persons methods, would be far better served devoting their joint energy and attention to CHANGING THE LAW, than to changing their gun owning neighbors mind as to method/place of carry.

The signage law already requires certain wording to be effective. Any change to that is going to benefit the shop owners, not the person carrying a handgun. It's a built in ace-in-the hole. Leave it alone.

[Guest bkelm18]

The signage law already requires certain wording to be effective. Any change to that is going to benefit the shop owners, not the person carrying a handgun. It's a built in ace-in-the hole. Leave it alone.

It does not require certain wording, it requires "substantially similar" wording. So changing the law to be more restrictive as to how it has to be posted would further benefit us.

[The Average Joe]

Rant below and IF this offends anybody I really don't care!

Attention 'do gooders' and those who thrive on 'sticking their noses in other peoples business'.

WHEN you see a store, shop, mall, restaurant or whatever THAT isn't properly posted in regards to not carrying there PLEASE for the love of whatever God you pray to SHUT THE FRICK UP, go about your business and then go home. All your 'I know the law and I'm going to straighten the owner out' BS causes is another area that we cannot carry in. SO PLEASE STOP!!! Just carry well concealed, even though you don't have to, and don't stir up a load of that screws other people.

In other words....If the teacher forgets to give homework on Friday...Don't ask if we have any homework? Just roll with it.

[Mike.357]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ggun

Well, you could stop carrying your purse around, then maybe you would see the signs.

Thanks again for adding something useful to a discussion.

Really.

it would be a murse not a purse. now thats something useful to know

[Guest db99wj]

Well, you could stop carrying your purse around, then maybe you would see the signs.

When you stop being a douche bag, maybe others will take you and your posts seriously.

[Fallguy]

A friendly reminder to all to not engage in personal attacks....

Future incidents may be met with more than a friendly warning.

Now...."Can't we all just get along?" and get back on topic.

[Guest db99wj]

I stand by my statements, about the signs and my response to his sarcastic posts.

[Guest bkelm18]

When you stop being a douche bag, maybe others will take you and your posts seriously.

See, a good use of this year's official vernacular.

[Punisher84]

A friendly reminder to all to not engage in personal attacks....

Future incidents may be met with more than a friendly warning.

Now...."Can't we all just get along?" and get back on topic.

I'd be more than happy if Ggun went the way of the Rabbi personally. He's a troll or an idiot.

Back on topic... I think that doing anything that negatively impacts gun owners is a bad thing. If you want to change the laws vote, write, bitch,etc. Just don't go around trying to see how kwik you can get everything posted.

Edit: OMG! Do you guys think...ggun=kwik? That'd make sense.

[Fallguy]

I'd be more than happy if Ggun went the way of the Rabbi personally. He's a troll or an idiot.

I'd be happy if moderating was left up to the moderators and their statements were taken seriously.

Not that it is anyone's general business but, I have already given an infraction and sent PM's in regards to post in this thread. Then tried to give a friendly warning that looks like it is going to be ignored.

I don't want to close the thread because the OP is not engaged in the side track of his topic and it has been decent discussion for the most part. I also don't want to seem heavy handed, but there are rules for all of us to play by. If you feel that someone isn't playing by those rules, there is a "Report this post" button below every post in every thread...use it. If not I will use some of the buttons available to me.