New Colt D/A Revolvers 2017

[musicman]

J frame variants hover around $400.  I have no reason to believe that a 6 round Colt wouldn't be a $500+ street price offering for the first year or so, then maybe falling a smidge to mid $400s.  $300 guns are Taurus territory, and I sure hope Colt isn't trying to go there.  

As I see more about this gun, I'm disappointed.  The J frame has the quality carry revolver market locked down, imho.  Kimber tried to break in with the K6, but has anyone actually seen/shot/gotten one?  I haven't, and I haven't met anyone who has yet, either.

I figured they would be aiming at the Python , Cobra, and Anaconda market, where they could theoretically get over $1k/pop pretty easily, not slugging it out in the competitive concealed carry market.

Now before someone starts with the "they have to protect the collector's market for the old guns" nonsense... NO THEY DON'T!  When some rich bloke pays $5k to some other rich bloke for his 20 year old pistol, NONE of that goes to Colt.  It's ALL secondary market.  Prestige doesn't pay the bills until you attach it to a newly produced good sold to the public.  Could they POTENTIALLY hurt the value of the old guns by flooding the market with poorly executed remakes?  I would say that's a possibility, but not likely.

Gibson has made some absolute crap guitars in recent history.  That doesn't change the fact that Carter's Vintage Guitars sold the first burst for $625,000 recently.  In fact, it may he argued that the perceived lack of quality in some recent Gibsons has ADDED to the value of the older models.

[TrickyNicky]

19 minutes ago, musicman said:

J frame variants hover around $400.  I have no reason to believe that a 6 round Colt wouldn't be a $500+ street price offering for the first year or so, then maybe falling a smidge to mid $400s.  $300 guns are Taurus territory, and I sure hope Colt isn't trying to go there.  

As I see more about this gun, I'm disappointed.  The J frame has the quality carry revolver market locked down, imho.  Kimber tried to break in with the K6, but has anyone actually seen/shot/gotten one?  I haven't, and I haven't met anyone who has yet, either.

I figured they would be aiming at the Python , Cobra, and Anaconda market, where they could theoretically get over $1k/pop pretty easily, not slugging it out in the competitive concealed carry market.

Now before someone starts with the "they have to protect the collector's market for the old guns" nonsense... NO THEY DON'T!  When some rich bloke pays $5k to some other rich bloke for his 20 year old pistol, NONE of that goes to Colt.  It's ALL secondary market.  Prestige doesn't pay the bills until you attach it to a newly produced good sold to the public.  Could they POTENTIALLY hurt the value of the old guns by flooding the market with poorly executed remakes?  I would say that's a possibility, but not likely.

Gibson has made some absolute crap guitars in recent history.  That doesn't change the fact that Carter's Vintage Guitars sold the first burst for $625,000 recently.  In fact, it may he argued that tye perceived lack of quality in recent Gibsons has ADDED to the value of the older models.

 

Yup. All of it. 

 

This feels like the idea was executed by an MBA type executive who would be just as at home (or maybe more) running like a cereal company or chain of gyms or something.

 

Public: We want A.

Colt: But you're buying B.

Public: Because you stopped making A, we want A. We'll pay for more A.

Colt: Have some B.

Public:  

[DaveTN]

30 minutes ago, musicman said:

Now before someone starts with the "they have to protect the collector's market for the old guns" nonsense... NO THEY DON'T!  When some rich bloke pays $5k to some other rich bloke for his 20 year old pistol, NONE of that goes to Colt.  It's ALL secondary market.  Prestige doesn't pay the bills until you attach it to a newly produced good sold to the public.  Could they POTENTIALLY hurt the value of the old guns by flooding the market with poorly executed remakes?  I would say that's a possibility, but not likely.

I agree. If they start making Pythons again it will have zero impact on the originals. 

Edited January 4, 2017 by DaveTN

[Grayfox54]

I'm a big fan of the old small frame Colts. My first carry gun was a 3rd Issue Detective Special which I still have and will never sell. Many years ago I made the mistake of letting my late wife shoot it and it took more than 20 years for me to get it back.  She loved that gun. 

However, due to its collectability and current value, I just can't see carrying it again.

I own a few S&W J-frames and they are excellent guns. But I've always had problems shooting them well because they are just too small for my hands. By the time I put a set of grips on it so that I can shoot one well, I've lost all the advantage to its small size. The DS, being slightly larger, fits me perfectly and has always been my preferred snubbie. The sixth round is a bonus. So I do see a market for the new Colt. 

Here's the problem with the new Cobra. It looks like a Detective Special and that's what people will compare it to. That is an extremely high standard to live up too and I don't think the Cobra can. 

More realistically, I think this new gun should be compared to the late Colt small frames. Namely the SF-VI, DS II and Magnum Carry. These also looked just like the DS, but had a completely different lock work based on the Trooper design which required much less hand fitting and was cheaper and easier to make. Unfortunately, these guns did not go over well with consumers and didn't sell. They also had some problems. Poor accuracy, a too light SA trigger pull and sharp edges that actually skinned holsters and cut shooter's hands just to name a few.  Colt decided to end revolver production before the bugs could be worked out of them. Oddly enough, these later small frame guns now have some collector value due to their short run. 

I have hopes for the new Cobra. But will reserve judgement until I can get one in my hands. IF its as good as advertised, I'll probably buy one.

 

[FortKnox]

Go to Truth About Guns, they test fired one of the guns at the SHOT show and it broke.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/01/foghorn/first-impressions-new-colt-cobra/

[Sunfish]

I really don't care which way the cylinders roll or if it's 5 or 6 shot. Colt Pocket revolvers have a narrow hammer and cylinder latch that I never cared for. The trooper I had was a very good shooter but at the end of the day I would put my 686 no dash in the top drawer.

[TrickyNicky]

On January 21, 2017 at 2:40 AM, FortKnox said:

Go to Truth About Guns, they test fired one of the guns at the SHOT show and it broke.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/01/foghorn/first-impressions-new-colt-cobra/

 

:/ 

I'm not too surprised, but thats a shame.

 

At this point the smartest thing they could do is contract S&W to make them .