My Grandpa's Rifle

[Clark2748]

My brother in CA (moment of silence for the "screwed"- amen) handed off my granddad's rifle. I'm interested in getting some idea of where it came from and what it might be. It has a hunting stock on it and has a 7(?) shot box for the bottom. If anyone needs more PM me and I'll post what's needed. 

 

Thanks all.

[runco]

You need to post a picture of the complete rifle in one picture.  That would help.

[Garufa]

It was an Enfield of some type.  Definitely need to see pics of the entire action and rifle.

[MP5_Rizzo]

I have to agree with Garufa.   What little evidence we have so far screams of Lee Enfield though.

[peejman]

What's it chambered in?

[Hershmeister]

Enfield bolt

[xtriggerman]

If it has the short SMLE box mag, know those are really rare today.  You can make some $$ on that if you want to sell it.

[gregintenn]

2 hours ago, peejman said:

What's it chambered in?

303 Brit?

[peejman]

38 minutes ago, gregintenn said:

303 Brit?

Hence the question, if it's in 303 that pretty much confirms it. But I think I've read about 303's being rechambered. 

[Hershmeister]

And some enfields were in 7.62

[peejman]

11 hours ago, Hershmeister said:

And some enfields were in 7.62

True. And that's the version I'd like to have. 

[gregintenn]

12 hours ago, Hershmeister said:

And some enfields were in 7.62

Did they have British proof marks?

[peejman]

2 hours ago, gregintenn said:

Did they have British proof marks?

I belive Most of them are from India, Ishapore Enfield. 

[gregintenn]

4 hours ago, peejman said:

I belive Most of them are from India, Ishapore Enfield. 

I've little knowledge of SMLE rifles, but I'm guessing that since it's stamped "England" and has a crown proofmark, that it's chambered for 303.

 

Looks like we won't get to see the entire rifle.

Edited December 23, 2016 by gregintenn

[A.J. Holst]

On 12/22/2016 at 5:29 PM, MP5_Rizzo said:

I have to agree with Garufa.   What little evidence we have so far screams of Lee Enfield though.

Love your jungle carbines!

[MP5_Rizzo]

34 minutes ago, Gotthegoods said:

Love your jungle carbines!

I wish I could say thanks but the photo of the Enfield variants is one I snatched off the the interwebz. I do have a 1964 Ishapore Mk III though?

[peejman]

17 hours ago, gregintenn said:

I've little knowledge of SMLE rifles, but I'm guessing that since it's stamped "England" and has a crown proofmark, that it's chambered for 303.

 

Looks like we won't get to see the entire rifle.

I'm no expert either. From what I can tell, the 7.62 designation is on the strap around the wrist, which doesn't appear to be present on this gun. Seems odd they wouldn't mark the caliber on the barrel, but look like they don't. And yes, the "England" would be a pretty good hint, if I'd noticed that at first.

[Hershmeister]

I'm no expert either. From what I can tell, the 7.62 designation is on the strap around the wrist, which doesn't appear to be present on this gun. Seems odd they wouldn't mark the caliber on the barrel, but look like they don't. And yes, the "England" would be a pretty good hint, if I'd noticed that at first.

7.62 riflea also have a larger magazine capacity

[gregintenn]

2 hours ago, Hershmeister said:

 

7.62 riflea also have a larger magazine capacity

 

...and a different bolt face.

[Garufa]

17 minutes ago, gregintenn said:

...and a different bolt face.

Actually, the bolt face is the same, it just has a different extractor.

Regardless, this specimen is not 7.62.

[MacGyver]

There are few things I love more in life than watching folks who know what they're talking about geek out over something. 

[LCPfraTN]

From what I can see, it looks like an Enfield. The box magazine should hold 10 rounds unless it's been modified or an after market one. Golden State made a bunch of Sporters out of Enfields, but it would be marked on the barrel if they did this Sporterization. Definitely need to be able to see the whole rifle and the wrist area.


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[Clark2748]

Sorry to all, had a cold and lots of work, forgot about this till today.

First, thank you to all and here are additional pics of Pops rifle. I did read that a bunch were converted to hunting rifles with a a sports stock. The rubber on the rear is a weird on. The last pic is a strange Starburst on top of the barrel pre- chamber.

[Clark2748]

From what I can see, it looks like an Enfield. The box magazine should hold 10 rounds unless it's been modified or an after market one. Golden State made a bunch of Sporters out of Enfields, but it would be marked on the barrel if they did this Sporterization. Definitely need to be able to see the whole rifle and the wrist area.


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[cj0e]

Serial number would indicate Fazakerley production rifle.