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Wheel gunner- that is an interesting option. I am going to look into the wheel gun option. The 357 should take down anything with 5 or less rounds so reloading should not an issue. I love the idea of the 1894 as the carbine. I would still probably stay away from the Nagant for the wife and kids. Thanks for the ideas. I am liking the lever gun idea. My only concern would be reloading issues.

True grit- I like the list but I think firing a shot gun in a bunker may be just a tad loud and may hurt the families ability to comunicate. Also if I fire it at someone coming through the door it may do damage to the door that can't be fixed, making it easier for the next intruder. As gor going to 40 over 9mm the cost in bulk is still 50% more for the .40. I prefer .40 and carry weapon is a 40 but just more practical to get 9mm and more of it, also 9mm might be a better bartering tool if needed

I thought about the ammo weight but did not know the weght difference in large quantities. I have thought about the Nagant with the ATI stock, just think the kick might be to much for the 100lb wife. I have not thought about the 243 rounds, I dont know a whole lot about that round, but I will look into that and maybe pick one up to try out the round. The bulk 308 price was a big factor in chosing that round. I am trying to get the most for the money but not at the expense of it being to much gun for some in the group. Maybe as the little ones get bigger I will take them to the range with my Nagant,the wife still hates that gun after shooting it several times.

The only down side I have with the nagant is the weight and kick for some of the smaller shooters in the group, ie wife and kids. I know that the wife has shot the mossberg with no problems. There will however be a Nagant and plent o ammo avail for me. I will be putting the 3 long guns in 1 bag to make us a little more mobile so weight was a little of a factor. There will be alot of weight in ammo so the less the gun weights the better.

Ok so after a ton of research on compatiblity and reliability. I have decieded to go with G17 $600 otd Sub2000 $350 otd Mossberg 100atr $350 otd Ruger 10/22 $250 otd All these are new prices for worst case secnario that puts me at $1550. The major up side to this combo is that the G17 and sub 2000 take the same ammo and mags. I chose a bolt action for the sake of reliability and cost, I don't expect to have to use this but I have always hunted with a bolt and feel it is more reliable. I could have gone with a cheaper 22lr but the mag capacity was the best on this. After researching I found that mag capacity was probably most important to me. I don't want the less skilled in my group to have to reload often. I know if I take time and buy used or on sale i can get a way better deal but I have to be high on what I expect to pay as I am doing this setup x5. so 1550x5= $7750 after getting 10,000 rounds of 9mm 2000 per person, 1000 rounds of 308 200 per person, 50000 rounds of 22lr 10000 per person I come out at just over $10,000 retail. If I pick up 30 33rd glock mags and 25 25round mags for the ruger I have another 1,000 add in tax and a little for unexpected expences I can do all of this for $12,000 and that is full retail. The MODS can choose to take down or keep up

Dolomite- I did not think of silensers. good idea especially if we are going to remain stationary. It would get steep in cost and might raise eyes buying 20 suppressors. I guess if I get 2 per person that might not be as bad.

Good suggestions, I was really looking to find a combo that allows you to share ammo and possibly mags. I don't want to have to stock up on 3 diff kinds of ammo. I know that an AR is EVERYONES favorite gun but after buying an AR it only allows for $500 to buy 2 other guns. AR's are just to high in price right now, I know they "sell" for 700-800 but thats if you can find them at that. I was looking at a total cost of $1500 for 3 guns.

OS- I was thinking of those options because of the amount of ammo you can buy with the price diff. I would buy 2-3 for each person If I went that route Runco- I was thinking of the SKS, but trying to keep it simple as far as the handgun ammo rifle goes something in 9mm. still have not decieded if a shot is necessary, Bible already in there P.Stegall- Nagant might be a little much for the ladies and younger ones in the group. I do have a couple ready though

I don't think I want to go with a 45 just because I can ge SO much more 9mm for the price, I understand the AR arguement but getting an AR woul pretty much eat up the budget because lately AR's are being built with gold parts or something. I have not been able to find a non budget AR for under $1000 and I was looking at getting a few so waiting around for a sale or "good deal" and don't really want to build one. I was planning on getting all 5 people 3 guns- handgun, handgun ammo rifle, mid range gun. So far the best setup I can come up with is G17, sub200 that takes glock mags, mini 14. That should keep me under 1500 and allow the 2 guns to share ammo and mags. then I only have to stock up on 9mm, and 223. I might throw in a couple of shotguns but they might be over kill as we would just be staying put and not roaming the streets and shots are a little overkill for close quarters.

EDIT: My fist discription yeilded a lot of good answers but not what I was looking for. Here is the deal, 1- I want 4 guns the total cost of all 4 combined cost can't be over $1600 (that takes almost all AR, 1911's, AR-10and 50 cals out). I want all members in my group to carry the same guns for the ability to just swap mags,ammo,parts. 2- Ammo has to be affordable and accessable. I am not looking at roaming the street looking for ammo to get off the less fortunate. I will stock enough to last a while 3- I am not prepping for end of the world, just prepping for civil unrest. (situations like that happened in the middle east) that gets back under control after a couple of months. 4- looking to get a handgun, carbine in hand gun ammo, and a mid - long range rifle, 22 rifle or handgun. I won't be hunting for survival (maybe for fun) this is protection only. 5- the safe house is smaller so need wepons that are ment for close quarters (that rules out shot guns- to much for what I need) 6- would like to be able to carry all 4 at one time if needed, the safe house will have other fire arms in it, I just want these four to be the goto's so I can train family on them and the will be comfortable using them. 7- we will be using the safe house mainly as a protection at night and we would just hang around the property during the day. We are not going to go out and look for a fight. I don't think of this as being sitting ducks, just makes more sense to stay where you are fimiliar with the surroundings. I understand that AR's and Shotguns are great, I own some but when looking at this project they did not fit what I was going for,like most I have a budget and money is an issue, if it wasn't an issue I would not have posed this every one would have 1911's, ar-15, ar-10 and cz 22lr. I understand that my prepping may not make sense to you but I am not afraid of the END of the world as I know where me and my family are going. I just want to be safe if people get stupid.

I have always wondered why copper was not worth more, maybe because it is in everything. I have a fairly large copper penny collection as well. I would also like to know if this would be a good investment, I am with you to the right person copper is worth its weight in gold.

I have been using my sling on my weedeater for about 10years now, It works great. Thanks for the cable lock idea, have not thought of that.

My families prayers are with you.

Wait, we were doing the mens bracket, I was sure it was the ladies. Thats why I am doing so bad. LOL

I should have let my dog pick, he would have done better

Can't be worse than me, I am in my normal spot in the brackets in very last place. (this is why I don't play for money)

0-2 off to a great start, I hopefully will get a couple right.

Coal Creek had them under $100 the last time I was in there

Just finished the loosing bracket. Thanks

Saw that as well. That really sucks, at least the federal 100 pack of 9m was still 20.

I had a guy doing that at an indoor, he was so close he would get hit every few rounds. My friend was there withhis full auto glock so we loaded it up and let it rip. He got pelted about 15 times in the 2 mag we went through. He finally left us alone. I don't mind letting people have my brass, but give me my space and wait until I leave or sweep them out of the way.

Last time I was at any of the Big box retailers most of their ARs were right around $1000 so I guess that is just the new normal.

I have seen people asking $1500 for the AR they built in their basement and actually sell it and there is no warranty. I think that ALL ARs are overpriced. They are probably 10-20% higher than what you can get the same quality for but they do have to pay for advertising and other media stuff. Its like buying a pair of Jordans, are Jordans THAT much better than the $100 pair of shoes, No but people pay 200+ for the brand name. Or buying the Lexus for 20,000 more than the same car with the Toyota name plate. As or the more volume = less quality is crap. based on that argument I am not sure how a Colt or DPMS don't fall apart in your hands. And that means that Hi-points are the best guns on the market.

Several of my friends use mint.com in combo with Ramseys envolopes. They say it works great.

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