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Thats why I am not writting it off yet.

I thought about getting PGA and still might. It would be trade and medical purpose only. I just right now am stocking up on survival stuff first.

We could pay that morgtage off super quick with on our side.lol

I have stocked up on all those but booze, I dont drink so it would go to waste if shtf doesn't happen

Gjohnsoniv- are you signing up to run the mercenary operation for us?

That is what I heard, I just dont think I have the attention span to sit there that long.

I could probably change the barrel, I might do that. I do not trust myself enough to load. I distract easy.

The job is yours but you have to bring the bench.

Maybe some of us TGOer should go in together. I think we would have it well armed and stocked with food.

Those are the uprades available, plus wouldn't you want those to be hidden until needed. FYI the SEAL tem is in the water.

I got an Armalite AR-10 at a reasonable rate of 1100 with no scope. I just had to have it for some reason. while it is fun, feeding is not. the 243 looks like it will be that way as well but with the 800 I saved I can buy more ammo

Oh ok, I half read what you wrote (ADD) and gave my uninformed opinion. Yes in the case like Argintina gold would be helpful. I think a bunch of MRE's might be just as valuable on trade. I have a little of everything just incase barting becomes the new cashflow.

I would guess if you fill the water with gators you are all set. http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/when-home-is-a-man-made-water-fortress.html

I looked at the armalites and they were a little more than the same in 308. I am guessing the the DPMS is aound 1300-1500 as well. Its always fun to stoke the fire.

I was not aware of that. I think at this point you are just looking for a fight. Who makes one? Sweet mother alive they are the same as the 308's. Thats a budget buster. I will stick with my used one I picked up for 300.

yeah, I was not knowledgable about the 243 before starting this thread. That was part of starting this was to explore other options. After it being suggested I went out and got one to try out. I set up milk jugs with jello in them to see what happens. The 223 did a decent job at 100yds, the 243 obliterated the jug as did the 308 but the 243 was way easier to handle. So after shooting 100 rounds or so I found I liked the 243. I have always hunted with a 30-30 or 308 (hunt up in Michigan and the deer are alot bigger) I think I am going to bring my new toy up to hunt with this year.

That means you know what you are doing and I would trust a gun that you build. I went to a my friends brothers house for a BBQ and the guy had a table next to his recliner where he was building an AR. He said they are so easy its like sleeping. He sells them for an absurb profit after he shoots them for a while. I think that is how most home builders are, especially the ones that build just to sell.

USMC As I agree with you, I think that if we get to the point of money not being worth anything at all and the economy is shot, gold wont be of much use. I would not trade my food, guns,ammo or any other supplies for any amount of gold. gold and silver are great to protct yourself against hyper inflation, just don't know how good it would be for SHTF.

Just relized that all this AR talk is moot as I am going with a 243cal. Oh well it is a good discussion.

I believe in alway believe the LCD (lowest common denominator) is who did it. I have seen guys at the range that have no buisness building guns struggleing with there AR. I have gone to buy an AR that a guy built himself and he could not even get it to cycle dummy rounds. I just would rather trust my gun to be built by the factory and usually they have some sort of warranty. I will be practicing with these so I will find and defects and get them fixed before I store them. I don't think a guy who has built more than 10 as a basement builder. to me a basement builder is the guy that gets cheap parts to resell the gun for 2 time what he has in it ie. the PSA stripped lower with a delton kit on it that was for sale no another site for $950. I don't have anything against that combo for 500 but 950 is much. Guys that builds a decent AR with good parts are hard to find at a fair price. I know how to build an AR, I have done my share and I just could not find a set up for under 600 that I like better than my mini.

I guess I am more of the norm than the other thread shows. I completely agree with USMC, I think a couple of months should clear things up. I am more concerned about stock levels at stores causing a panic. As Jonnin said we have had ALOT of disasters around here lately and have seen nothing but good come out of people. I am sure there are a few cases of people being stupid. Good has outweighed the bad.I think a Major power outage for a prolonged period may change that though.

Dolomite- as usual you are a wealth of knowlege. I did look into the S&W sport. I did learn somethings from your post so thank you. I do like them and talked to some dealers. I had one dealer say he does not discount AR's no matter what because they will always sell at retail or higher. This is a dealer that usually has them at that price at the shows. He also said that he can slap a cheap red dot on them and get people to pay over 800 because it is ready to shoot. He says AR's and Glocks will always sell no matter what so why give a discount. that was a part of the reason to go with the 357, more dealers are willing to cut a deal on guns that do not sell as fast. All that being said I put the sport on my short list of guns to get after everything cools off from this project. As a side note, how many guns can you get in a few months time before the TBI is at your door

Well said caster. I think that the lazy will only last 30 days or so before the have all died trying to steal food or will be mooching of some nice neighbor or family member and then at that point things will start to turn around.

Just to be THAT guy that keeps the AR discussion going. If anyone can get me 5 AR's of quality that are ready to shoot (don't need a scope just sights) for under 3000 let me know. That would take out any basement builds, and would like all five to be same maker. That is why the ARs were taken out of my situation. If money were no object here is my list. 1. Kimber 1911 2 Colt Ar-15 3. Armalite AR-10 4.CZ512 in 22lr I own or have shot all of these and are my favorite for that catagory. I just don't have the money to fund that project. I think it comes out to almost 5000 per person.

Rclark- I think that you prepared for the possiblity of having to hike home, I overlooked that. I will be getting my BOB ready for the car today. I will be getting another pair of boot/shoes to pack just in case I am not wearing propper footwear. Other than that I think I have everything at the house to add. I keep a BOB in the workshop to grab before we go to the safe house. I was not thinking about having to hike there.