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So since I am a TN resident with a TN permit I cannot get the enhanced priveliges whatsoever? That doesn't seem very recipricol (sp?) to me. Edit: I just called rangemaster about something unrelated and asked him if this was so and he confirmed. That definately needs to be addressed.

I only saw one other thread touching on this subject. I am wondering since our permit requires actual class and range time if our permit will be accepted as a MS enhanced permit. I did not see anything saying one way or the other on the MS site but living in the Memphis area and goingt to church is MS this does concern me. Hopefully someone knows more than I do. On a side note this is a great step in the right direction for MS. I can only hope TN adopts something like this.(Take away a few restrictions rather than adding exceptions preferably)

More posts will change that. Not sure of the number though. Probably around 20 to 30.

He will be on the news one day.

I posted good about walmart. I said that they corrected the issue and will continue to have my business. The point of this thread was not really to bash walmart but rather fellowship with my fellow tgo brothers and get a little steam out after not being able to shoot my new gun for lack of ammo.

Seems hard to believe .

I agree. Again about what I expected but now I know for sure (or don't for that matter ).

I feel you brother.

Fallguy I have the number to there "legal department" so I am going to give him a call and ask that. I'm not going to get anywhere with this guy. Prag I agree. Basically anywhere I go I like to carry concealed for a few different reasons but we won't start that debate. Basically I just wanted to be able to open carry at work on the really hot days. I work at a small three man operation on the side of the hwy so I don't think this will be an issue. As Q-Tip said there has never really been a case on this so it probably just ends in the OC'er being harrased a little. I would rather not deal with that as I am not that passionate about OC anyways. The laws definately need to be worded better though.

I didn't know that about bass pro! Thanks for the info.

Just placed an order with him! GREAT prices!

I also see the point Robert is trying to make. In this instance Walmart made a mistake and I gave them a chance to correct the mistake; it seems they have. When that is no longer the case I will take my business elsewhere. That applies to any business I deal with on anything. Also it's not so much the price of the ammo (although important) but rather the convenience of buying there that earns them my business. All of the gun shops are closed by the time I can make it to town so they are my only close option. It just comes down to how much we are willing to sacrifice to further our cause.

Just an update; I finally got up with a manager at the store and he said he has never heard of the policy or the shooting and that he would speak to the "manager" that told me that and correct him. I didn't get to speak to the head honcho but I am satisfied with that answer. Unless of course it happens again.

This is the response I got back from him about 5 minutes after sending. I asked for more elaboration on the matter and why the state constitution seemed to say otherwise but haven't recieved a response. About what I expected. "You weapon must be concealed when you are carry it. If your weapon is in a holster, it should be covered (the weapon and holster) and not visible to any one." M/Sgt. Williams Director-Firearms Permit Unit Mississippi Highway Safety Patrol

Well put Dolomite. I see where Robert is coming from but you said what I wanted to say in better words than I would have.

I think they are pretty much in the same boat. They have opinions on it and apparently do it with no problems. I know I am not the first person to email someone hoping to get an answer but we will see.

I just sent the following email to the dept. head over the firearms permits. I will post up his response. Good morning Mr. Williams. I have a question for you regarding the open carry of a firearm in MS by a valid handgun carry permit holder. I have read the MS laws regarding the topic but I am still confused and am hoping to get a better understanding of the laws. Statue 45-9-101 section 18 states "Nothing in this section shall be construed to require or allow the registration, documentation or providing of serial numbers with regard to any firearm. Further, nothing in this section shall be construed to allow the open and unconcealed carrying of any deadly weapon as described in Section 97-37-1, Mississippi Code of1972." When I reference statute 97-37-1 section 1 is states" Except as otherwise provided in Section 45-9-101, any person who carries, concealed in whole or in part, any bowie knife, dirk knife, butcher knife, switchblade knife, metallic knuckles, blackjack, slingshot, pistol, revolver, or any rifle with a barrel of less than sixteen (16) inches in length, or any shotgun with a barrel of less than eighteen (18) inches in length, machine gun or any fully automatic firearm or deadly weapon, or any muffler or silencer for any firearm, whether or not it is accompanied by a firearm, or uses or attempts to use against another person any imitation firearm, shall upon conviction be punished as follows." The "in whole or in part" statement is what confuses me. I could not find the exact case but I have read that the attorney general once ruled in a case that a handgun worn in a holster is considered concealed. Finally looking at the MS state constitution Article 3 section 12 it states "The right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but the legislature may regulate or forbid carrying concealed weapons. To me that statement is pretty clear that the only method of carrying a firearm that me be regulated is carrying concealed. Since that is the case I would be led to believe that if I am a valid permit holder and carry my weapon on my side in a holster in plain sight it could be considered either open carry or concealed carry by the law. Either way I should be considered carrying legaly. If you can elaborate on this I would greatly appreciate it. There are many people that are unsure of the laws as am I. Thanks!

Well I tried calling the Hwy dept but couldn't get an answer. Based on all of my research I have decided that it is not illegal to open carry in MS. The constitution itself says only concealed carry may be regulated. Good enough for me. Again I don't plan on exercising OC outside of my workplace.

I have looked at almost all of those sights and the concensus seems to be that the MS constitution guarantees the right to carry a firearm and only allow the regulation of concealed carry. Also it appears that the courts ruled a firearm in a holster as partially concealed so you would have to have a permit to carry that way. I am still looking though.....

Thanks TNhawk. That is my understanding as well. The "gray area" I can find nothing about in the law is what MS considers concealed. Let me also state that I almost always carry concealed. The only reason I am interested in this is for work. As we all know it gets hot here in the summer and an OWB holster feels alot better some days. Everywhere else I will carry concealed.

I live in TN but work in MS. I did a little reasearch last night and discovered I may have had my MS carry laws all confused. Someone who is more knowledgeable please enlighten me. I initially thought that my weapon had to be concealed (concealed as in not visible at all) in order to carry in public. From what I have been reading MS considers a holstered weapon in plain view to be partially concealed with that term being used in the statute. So if I am open carrying as I would in TN I am actually partly concealed by MS standards? I could not find what there definition of concealed was other than what people said on forums. Thanks for any input.

I do try to buy from a dealer or at least Bass Pro but in the end Walmart is cheaper and more convenient for practice ammo. Or they used to be. I am curious about this shooting though. A quick internet search didn't find anything. Anyone else know anything?

I agree Lumber_Jack. They will know about it tomorrow.

I went to walmart tonight to pick up some shoe cushion inserts and other things with the wife and decided to get a box of ammo. We walked around the sporting goods section for a few minutes looking for a clerk until we finally decided to go have someone page them. After a few more minutes of me waiting by the ammo the photo center guy came over and began looking for the keys to the case. As he was searching a manager walked by and informed both the clerk and I that this Walmart does not sell ammo after 7 p.m due to a shooting that happened "last year" on the premises; his words. I informed him I had been buying ammo after 7p.m here for years and his response was "you should'nt have been". I just said OK and walked off. I know I am preaching to the choir here but I though I would share it anyways. I am going to contact the store manager tomorrow and discuss it with him. I normally leave well enough alone on concealed carry issues but since this is just an ammo sale issue and I do have other places to buy I think I will push the issue further. Thoughts? Comments?