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Top is pretty much stock 10/22 with Archangel Target stock and a threaded 1:11.25" Optimal Twist 16.5" barrel, sporting a Eotech 512. Weighs 7.5lbs. The 1:11.25" barrel should throw 60 grain Aguila SSS with some stability and accuracy and will probably shoot 40 grain ammo good enough. Weighs 7.5lbs. Bottom is hardly a 10/22 at all with Archangel Target stock PWS T3 toggle receiver, Urban Rifle Supply 29" 1:16" twist barrel carrying a Weaver 2-7x28 rimfire scope. Weighs about 8lbs 1 oz and is 4' long. Why the Eotech? Because I could and because I am fresh out of decent scopes with either 50/60 yard parallax or AO/SF. Soon I will be getting a 10x42mm Side Focus scope for the long barrel "10/22" then I will put the Weaver rimfire scope on the shorter barrelled Archangel.

I have a problem with those who think other's guns suck. Childish. I think these guns suck:) Arminus, RG, Bryco, Lorcin, Jennings

No, you will have to go to Chicago, IL, Long Island, NY or LA, CA before you can find a decent gun store;)

I hate Glocks, they make me poor:

As a long time revolver fan boy and a fella who can do credible action jobs on S&W, Ruger or Dan Wesson double action revolvers there are revolvers and then there are REVOLVERS!! Like my little 64oz "precious" pictured below:

The Tennifer or Melonnite or Isonite or what ever proprietary name the companies give the 1600 degree salt bath that changes the character of the molecular structure of the steel in barrels and slides these days prevents the metal from rusting. Case in point. My shiney 1988 Gen 1 G17 MPDC has had the finish removed from the slide and barrel for several years and I take no special care of this Glock over my others and I am notorious for not taking care of my Glocks. That old G17 shiny slide has never had a spec of rust on it. Fast forward to the stainless steel Springfield Armory 9mm 1911 Loaded I purchased online. THat thing has or had a ton of non-pitting rust on it and this is not the first stainless handgun I have had to fix rust problems on. I have two other Glock owners who are having me make their Glocks shiney. Don't ask me to do it for you. I do this and a lot of other gun stuff for friends of mine because I can, but don't do it for money. I'm still working on a system that is safe, faster and cheap to make barrels and slides of Glocks shiney and if I come up with something I will let you folks know. As it is now it relies on successive grades of sand paper and several different kinds of buffer compound. This takes time and does have an overhead cost I would like to reduce. However, if you want to do it you can start out with some 600 grit and work your way up. I want to go to a mirror finish but that requires a lot more work and I think there is a point of diminishing returns in all things.

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I traded my Ruger LCR for the nice two-pin 2d Gen G19 Meptropolitan Police District of Columbia (MPDC). This will pair well with my pimple-lishess 1st Gen G17 MPDC that is currently residing on one of my 3rd Gen G17 frames with stainless and chrome small parts. Can't wait to start polishing the G19's slide and barrel.

Good info TGO David

Bring it to Tn Gun Country tomorrow between 12 and 4:30 there will be two Glock Armorers there to look at it. Won't cost you a penny, plus replacement parts are available if necessary.

I accuse some shooters of turning gun cleaning into some kind of quasi religious event. One guy I know I am pretty sure strips naked, puts on a head band, wears face paint, turns up the heat till sweat is rolling, sits on a purple velvet rug and then lights candles while kneeling before the "Blessed Virgin," and chants "Hoppes #9, Hoppes #9,........" Fortunately for me Glocks require little formal cleaning. However 1911s, ARs and many .22s need something more than Glocks. I figure if you spend more than 5 minutes on a Glock you fall into the above category. If it takes me more than 15 minutes with my AR, the only 1911 I have left or any one of the .22s after a few hundred rounds I get irritated. Those 1911s require extraordinary care if you are going to use it for self-defense, but I love the triggers on them so maybe it is worth the trouble. Gun cleaning tools: 1) Gun Scrubber or carb cleaner 2) Otis tooth brushes 3) Air compressor 4) Bore Snakes 5) Dental picks 6) Frog Lube 7) Copper and lead solvent (hardly ever use) 8) Bear Metal Q tips 9) Ream-N-Clean Bristle Pipe Cleaners 10) Bronze bristle "tooth brushes"

For what its worth I am certified glock armorer, but can't say I learned much new at the coarse becasue the Glock is so simple. I have owned several 21s and modified several for other folks including some acraglas reinforcement for a friend who has a .50 GI upper he shoots on one of his 21s. All the suggestions are good ones and should be considered. Here is what I always consider when casings from a Glock hit me in the head, cause I know my Glocks are properly operational, lubed and have a good grip. #1 is ammo. #2 and closely tied to #1 is recoil spring strength. Tune your recoil spring to your predominant range ammo. I would recommend to tune your range ammo selection to your carry ammo selection if you only have one carry Glock that doubles as your range gun. Then tune your recoil spring to both. Having said that I only use stock recoil springs in my carry Glock 9mms and always carry Corbon 115+P in my carry guns.

Minute of leaf and butt of squirrel as best I could tell. Seriously, I never shot for a group, just sighted in on leaves and used on local squirrels. I do know that out of a 29" barrel that Standard Colibras bounce off cardboard at 25 yards.

I have and have had a lot of .22 rifles. I have an XT .22 with a 22" barrel and it is stupid practical accurate for not much money. How accurate I will look into that in the next few weeks. I had been using it to shoot Colibras in my backyard but have retired it from that duty, allowing my 1956 era Remington 572 to take over that job. My .22 rifle barrel lengths range from 16" - 29". The Remington mentioned has a nearly 24" barrel. Don't get too caught up in barrel length as accuracy is more dependent on chamber and crown (I think) than on barrel length. Dolomite can discuss chambers in good detail. Also what is maddening about .22s is that each barrel and action even of the same model can like differerent ammo. To this end I think not only chamber is an issue but how the gun headspaces on the rimfire and how the energy of the firing pin is transfered to the rim and how the bullet ignites. The benchrest guys are fanatics. Lets say you get all the mechanics refined and matched to a particular rimfire bullet, then you have scope, wind, shakes, bad eyesight to compound things as well. Here is a good starting point: http://www.accurateshooter.com/category/rimfire/

Also Bob's Gun Shop, Royal, AR http://www.gun-parts.com/winchesterrifle/

Happy BIrthday and congrats on becoming a TGO moderator.

I shouldn't chime in here but my .22 passion overwhelms me. The Savage and the CZ are good guns. Oftentimes out of the box bullseye accuracy of the 10/22 will be second banana to the other two. However, the other two are boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been down this road, time and again. Get the 10/22 and then talk to forum members on how not to spend stupid money on a 10/22. You can do a good trigger job yourself and then get someone like Dolomite to clean up your barrel chamber. I was actually shooting .22 bullets through the exact same hole today using Lapua Speed Ace bullets in one of my 10/22s with a 15 mph crosswind at 25meters. I was so amped up and then I put CCI Blaser ammo in the mag and expanded that group to the size of a quarter - bummer. Shooting .22s is fun and educational, as well as humbling.

No offense taken and I was just kidding. I can't see any good reason to buy a 10/22 first. I just happen to have several. You can buy everything to build a 10/22 without having to buy a 10/22. Although I can't remember seeing anyone making a non-Ruger 10/22 bolt but someone must be building them. An this rifle's case you don't need to buy anything made by Ruger to make this rifle. The receiver has its own bolt, trigger groups are made by many or buy a Ruger one from Brownells or MidwayUSA - I forget.

A friend lent me 3 SAO 220's for a couple of months. 2 in .45 and 1 in .22. The .22 was sort of ho hum to me, but the .45s were eye openers. And then I shot the 9mm X-Five Tactical he also lent me and I forgot about the 3 SAO 220s.

I think with the Weaver 2-7x28 the whole package looks more "elegant." Tomorrow I will be shooting for some groups just to start the process of finding decent ammo for various tasks.

Why would someone put together a firearm that has only minimal similarities between it and the mass produced counterpart? I dunno, just bonkers I guess. In any case, my main immediate goal is to have a fun backyard urban shooter without a CL III issue or significant ricochet potential. Plus with the new 2-7x28 scope this thing is rediculously cool looking and even balances pretty nicely at 9lbs. If you want practical and cheap in long firearms go Marlin Mdl 60 .22LR, Savage Mdl 10 .270 and Mossberg 500 12 gauge. Anything more is just "guilding the lily."

I finally got this thing after paying for it 2.5 weeks ago. No more online gun purchases for me. It needed a complete disassembly and thorough cleaning but once that was done it seems to be pretty nice. Looks like a low round count pistol with some storage and handling marks but nothing serious. Looks like it was shot and then put in the box for a long long time. There was a lot of light surface non pitting rust on non exposed parts. I can't imagine buying a gun like this and not taking care of it. Having said that I like Glocks for that very reason, go shoot them and then pretty much shake them like a dog shaking off the rain until the next time you go shooting. I tell folks all the time if you can't or won't learn to detail strip and reassemble a 1911 then maybe you should consider another gun. 1911s need cleaning and lubing on a regular basis. I'll be shooting this Thursday. Stay tuned. I thought I would give this antiquated design one last try in a caliber that matches my Glocks. Craig in Clarksville

Urban Rifle Supply markets this 29" barrel: http://www.urbanriflesupply.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=92&Itemid=534 Green Mountain sells a 28" sporter taper barrel: http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/rugertargetbarrels/10-22920sporterdiameterbarrels/sporter-tapered-10-22-replacement-barrels/28-blued-sporter-22lr-for-the-ruger-10-22 Are they the same barrel minus an inch? hmmmm........?

48" long and weighs 9.5lbs. 29" barrel by Urban Rifle Supply Receiver by Primary Weapon Systems (manual toggle "Fortner action") Stock is ProMag Archangel Target with adjj butt plated for variable LOP Optic is by BSA 1.5-3 lighted illuminated dot reticle .22 short 10/22 magazine by Urban Rifle Supply Why? To run a quiet backyard gray squirrel assassination rifle without going CLIII Craig in Clarksville