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If I were just getting started in PCP guns and I lived in the woods I would go for a a "small" volume gun using a hand pump. The CZ200 or Air Arms 200 is just such a rifle and will not kill you to pump it up but even so is not without some effort. If you have access to a paint ball or scuba outfit that will fill your certified tank then you are made in the shade!

Shhhhhhhhhhhh.... don't tell the squirrels. Left: Chinese made CO2 moderated .22cal modified by Plinker4life and right customized by Plinker4life moderated Air Arms/CZ200 PCP .177 rifle. The CO2 is so quiet and fun to shoot at 20yrds and in, while the PCP can reach out a bit further and is slightly louder, but both "giggly" quiet. Hard to believe how much money I spent on .22lr long guns over the years when these are probably more fun to tinker with and shooting them is a blast. I see a 100yrd pellet rifle in my future.

For my personal daily carry I use a Keltec P32, 6.6oz and flatter than a pack of cigarettes. I can hit a 3" dinger at 25 yrds one handed weak hand easy enough. I have also owned a couple of Taurus 22PLYs. Thicker than a Keltec 32 but easy to shoot and with 60grain Aguilla SSS make a whumph sort of feel, very satisfying. I would never ever buy the Taurus all metal tip up barrel version/copy of the Beretta Bobcat - had one of those where the frame just split down the middle. But those poly framed versions Taurus makes are robust. I was on a mission for some time trying to find the most practical smallest carry pistol and tried to find something that beat the Keltec 32, never did find anything smaller, easy to shoot, or more reliable. I never found the Beretta Minx, Bobcat or Tomcat to have the reliability of the little Keltecs. Next best besides the KT 32 would be the Keltec P3AT at 8.8oz, but after shooting many many .380 bullets into wet newspapers and comparing to .32 ACP I figure .32acp is good enough. I thought the OP wanted a .22lr.

If it was going to be a "bag" gun in the trunk I would seriously consider the Bersa (Bersaman's recommendation) or even more the Phoenix HP22 Deluxe range kit with the short and 5" barrels. THere are some youtube vids how to "fix" the Phoenix double safety and improve trigger pull.

S&W M63 or S&W 317 Kit Gun both have 3" barrels, the 63 weighs 24 oz and the 317 about 12oz get ready for well over $600.00 then tax and background. Then there is the hammerless 43C which will be at 600.00 after fees. I'm a big Ruger fan but not a fan of the .22LR LCR or SP101. I am not a fan of Charter either. Switch to .22LR semi auto pistols and there are a whole bunch of them that run pretty darn good at prices much easier on the wallet. I second Nightrunner's recommendation of the Ruger MK and Browning Buckmark. Hard to beat those at the price. I had a lot of fun with the Phoenix HP22, tinkered with it a bit and it shot so well someone else had to have it worse then me.

Nothing very compelling in a very crowded and proven market. It isn't: cheaper, smaller, proven reliable or more accurate.

I have succumbed to the siren call of quiet PCP air gunning. I am trading my 200yrd .22lr Cracker Gun (10/22) for Plinker4life's AA S200. Why? Quiet, effective varmint control in suburbia, accurate as heck, made by CZ (I actually can't remember how many CZ .22s I have owned), light weight so can carry on a legit squirrel hunt, has custom moderator (very very very quiet), target trigger that allows me to one-hole this thing at 30 yrds off a bag, can shoot it in my backyard all day long, multi shot, .177 has less collateral damage potential, easy to pump up with hand pump.

After shooting Plinker4life's very very very very quiet, switchable multi or single shot air rifles I might be talked into in not shooting .22LR for a very long time. Likely the most anticipated air rifle of all time is coming in May: https://www.umarexusa.com/blogs/airgun-news/umarex-gauntlet-sets-the-new-standard-in-pcp-air-rifle-performance 299.99 for the rifle, then buy a knockoff ebay handpump for about 100.00 or less...my neighbors may never know what happened to all the squirrels... However, Plinker4life's air rifles are top tier rifles, Air Arms and FX with great triggers, accurate as ....., and did I mention quiet....? These things are killing machines for small varmints, so much quieter than a suppressed .22. You can get a shrouded and threaded rifle so you can put an air rifle moderator on them as well, making them even quieter. You can get a good legal to buy online carbon fiber moderator for 35.00.

I didn't know I need this pistol until I saw this thread. After reading about it I may have to save some pennies.

Organizations need to figure in replacement, maintenance and training costs with respect to those firearms. Even though I have owned and can completely disassemble any S&W, Dan Wesson or Ruger revolver I think they are overly complicated and comparatively difficult to maintain. If a reload is needed under extreme pressure they take a lot of training to master completely. I knew plenty of aviators who used to carry S&Ws and never knew one who could do reload and don't remember them carrying speed strips or other quick load devices. I like 1911s and can just about do a "Major Payne" disassemble/reassemble but having carried them in the military am not overly fond of them as a save your butt gun unless it is one I have invested time in maintaining and even then would prefer an out of the box Glock over a Beretta or 1911. I like non-arms rooms Berettas, but they are overly complicated and given the choice would prefer a 1911 over the M9, not because of caliber but because of how it disassembles and reassembles. Sometimes even a 1911 part needs a bit of fitting. I would trust an arms room Glock over the revolver, 1911 or M9. Plus parts are cheap, the gun is easy to completely disassemble and no fitting of parts is needed. However... Not having even handled a Sig 320 I think the modularity is a big plus for an organization. Watch a 5'1" female grab a M9 and then watch her grab a 1911. My next handgun will probably be the 320 "just to see." The reviews seem positive and if I had to pay for, maintain, train to use and fit to a wide user group the 320 seems to make sense. But I have been wrong about many things, even my wife likes to remind me, so am likely wrong about this too - but maybe not.

I got to transition from the 1911 to the M9. We used to groan, laugh, shake our heads at the 1911s that were in unit arms rooms, generally rust prone rattle traps. I would think that someone in the Army got decent handgun training, but I never saw it from 1973 - 1998. Includes enlisted and officer time. The best handgun training I ever received while in the Army was when I was in a year long course at Bragg and my SF classmates took pity on me. Maybe Army handgun training has improved in the past 20 yrs?

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The guys I used to shoot "custom" 1022s with generally look at shooting off the bench: 25yrds has to be 1/4" or smaller, 50yrds 1/2", 100 yrds 1" and 200 yards 2". I am blind and cheap (no good spotting scope) so went shooting 2" saltine crackers 200 yrds. We now call them "cracker guns" if we can put one together we can shoot relatively fast and bust successive saltines at 185-200yrds.

I've owned a Dan Wesson Pointman 9 and a couple of Rock Islands that shot 9mm. One RIA was a 9mm the other was a .38Super which I installed a 9mm barrel. Because the RIA 9mms work so well at the price point they come in at I would look no further unless you want one of the "mini" 1911 alloy 9mms. I found no appreciable functional difference between the >$1K DW PM9 and the RIAs.

I would get Dolomite's take on the Pac Lite upper before I spent money on one.

I would like to run a few mags through that pistola.

An old friend gave me 1 gallon of Breakfree CLP At least 10 yrs ago. Pragmatically, at age 62, I think I will be dead before I ever need to buy any gun lube whether I am a CLP fan or not.

When I had a G36 I never felt I could run it efficiently, fast and accurate with one hand weak hand as fast as I could pull the trigger. I wonder if a similarly sized (sort of) Shield 45 would be easier to run weak hand one hand? Service guns, range toys, competition guns are another story, but for CCW I think you need to be able to use it fast and accurate one hand either hand, off your back, on your knees, belly, etc. I think the old adage is: 3 seconds, 3 shots, 3 feet and it is dark applies for us citizens. I can run a 1911 like that but I am not carrying a 40oz CCW. The muzzle flip of the 36 shooting weak hand one hand was a bit much for me to bring on line for fast follow ups not even counting collateral damage possibilities.

From the pictures it looks like the steel that Charter and Taurus uses. Hope it is better than those two.

This is essential to S&W fans: https://www.amazon.com/Standard-Catalog-Smith-Wesson/dp/1440245630

http://www.grantcunningham.com/2006/05/lubrication-101/

I used to think .357 to be the "it" handgun round. But it depends, if all I "worry" about is 2-legged thin skinned varmints modern "glock-ish" high capacity 9mm seems "enough." But if I lived where I had to worry about mountain lions while I jogged... or if my life depended on efficient hand gun kills of deer to put protein on the table....

Always interesting to learn a little more about certain models of Mossbergs http://home.epix.net/~damguy/ If you ever need a part call havlins even if they don't have it on their website. https://www.havlinsales.com/ Then there is always Numrich: https://www.gunpartscorp.com/ And if all else fails: https://jack-first-gun-parts.myshopify.com/ If you ever have a real question someone on this forum will probably have the answer or a resource. http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=51

Depending on how your "new" 96/22 shoots you could always send the barrel and bolt to http://www.ct-precision.com/, and have both "accurized." Send the trigger group to Brimstone http://www.brimstonegunsmithing.com/collections/ruger-10-22 and keep everything original yet beat most guys on the range with their CZ bolt guns or even some sporter Anschutz - maybe. Be aware though, if shooting were baseball I am playing church league slow pitch.

The barrels of the 96/22 must be like those of the 77/22. I know one TGO'r who sent his 10/22 hammer forged target barrel away to have the chamber re-reamed, head spaced and the second extractor slot made so he could install it in his 77/22. That little rifle is one fine shooting machine.