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I saw this in another forum and it rang true to me. When you look back on the past, life was much simpler. We laughed at things that were innocent and silly. The jokes we shared were safe for everyone to hear and if it was a little more for the grown ups then the kids knew to go hang out in their rooms. Kids didnt interrupt adults when they were talking unless the house was on fire or little Johny fell into the toilet. You knew your postman by name and the milkman used to leave a fresh jug of milk on the porch every other day. Families sat down and actually ate dinner together-unbelievable :!: And even more unbelievable-Families actually watched a TV program together and Im not talking about the MTV Awards. Things have changed all over, but today we will have a Fun look at: THINGS HAVE REALLY CHANGED IN SCHOOLS IN THE LAST 50 YEARS Lets Look At 1957 vs. 2007 Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack. 1957 Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jacks shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack. 2007 School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers. Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school. 1957 Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies. 2007 Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it. Scenario: Jeffrey wont be still in class, disrupts other students. 1957 Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again. 2007 Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability. Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbors car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt. 1957 Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman. 2007 Billys dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billys sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billys mom has affair with psychologist. Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school. 1957 Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock. 2007 Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons. Scenario: Pedro fails high school English. 1957 Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college. 2007 Pedros cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedros English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English. Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane pain t bottle, blows up a red ant bed. 1957 Ants die. 2007 BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnnys Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again. Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him. 1957 In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing. 2007 Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

NUGENT: Be prepared for evil Rather than trying to fathom it, just be ready to stop it By Ted Nugent - The Washington Times 6:13 p.m., Tuesday, January 11, 2011 Illustration: Targeted by Greg Groesch for The Washington Times There is evil among us. Always has been, always will be. As I write this, in the past four days, a high school assistant principal in Omaha was shot and killed and the principal wounded. Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona and 19 other Americans were gunned down at a constituent meeting being held at grocery store in Tucson. Federal Judge John M. Roll, a 9-year-old girl and several others are dead. A dozen more, including Mrs. Giffords, are gravely wounded. In addition to this slaughter and the gunning down of the high school principals in Omaha, scores of other law-abiding Americans were murdered, raped and beaten this past week. These victims didn't make the national news, but they are victims nonetheless. Dozens and dozens of additional Americans will become victims next week. And the week after. And so on. It is hard - almost impossible - for people of good will to fathom the depth of evil that resides in the soulless monsters who commit these senseless, violent and deadly crimes. Regardless of whether we can fathom the evil and carnage that some rabid monsters do, we must be prepared and ready to respond to evil at a moment's notice. We can't depend on law enforcement, professional and brave as its members are, to protect us from murdering, psychotic monsters. These murdering psychotics have slaughtered innocent Americans at shopping malls, schools, restaurants, churches and courthouses. And now a grocery store parking lot. No place is safe. I'm not interested in understanding why these deranged, rabid monsters commit carnage. Trying to make sense from complete nonsense is a waste of time. I'm also not naive enough to believe that we can prevent these mad dogs from gaining access to weapons, though I adamantly believe we must do what we can to keep these lunatics from doing so. What I do believe is that, sadly, another lunatic will commit more mass carnage - maybe not tomorrow, next week or even next year. But it will happen again, just as it did at Luby's cafeteria in Texas, at Virginia Tech, at a McDonald's in San Diego, at Columbine High School in Colorado and at a shopping mall in Omaha. Knowing this, we must do what is prudent to protect ourselves and our loved ones from these vicious monsters. That is our duty and responsibility as husbands and wives, parents and caring people of good will in our communities. There is evil among us, and it will again attempt to execute evil, but the good must always be ready to conquer evil if our society and culture are to progress. Never before has the need for a higher level of awareness and a warrior mindset been more important. The days of disconnected unawareness should be over. We can still be relaxed and comfortable, but mentally prepared and more tuned in to our surroundings. Be prepared to stop evil in its tracks and live. There is no other choice. Ted Nugent is an American rock 'n' roll, sporting and political activist icon. He is the author of "Ted, White and Blue: The Nugent Manifesto" and "God, Guns & Rock 'N' Roll" (Regnery Publishing). NUGENT: Be prepared for evil - Washington Times

Or, Robert, they might even consider joining the State recognized militia.

Self-defense is the right of a free people OUR VOICE By The Record Editorial Staff Published: January 11, 2011 » 1 Comment | Post a Comment vote now Buzz up! The notion that American citizens who defend themselves against violence is “taking the law into their own hands†is reprehensible palaver. There is no legal, moral or constitutional obligation in the United States to be a victim. We have heard this un-American statement often since the mass murder and assassination attempt in Arizona. As a free people, we have empowered ourselves to defend ourselves, individually and collectively. There are those who opt for strict non-violence, even in the face of grave danger to themselves and others, on religious grounds. So be it. That is their right. Refusing to be a victim, even if it means offering deadly force in the gravest circumstances, is an individual choice, too, but it is one we may make in America. We are not required to go as sheep to the slaughter. In jurisdictions such as North Carolina, one may obtain a concealed carry permit for firearms. To get such a permit, the state essentially certifies the permittee as crime-free — the result of an extensive background check and a thorough application and educational process. That being said, we’re not sure that going around armed is the ideal solution for members of Congress. We suggest that security for a public figure who may be a target is better managed by others whose best weapon is the power of observation, honed by training. A public official in a public location may not have the same advantage as a homeowner, motorist or pedestrian. It is noteworthy that the attempted murder of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords has prompted several members of Congress to declare they will arm themselves. While that may not be the most effective tactic in a crowd during a surprise attack, as was the assault in Arizona, we do not regard their attitude as taking the law into their own hands. It’s preferable to the knee-jerk reaction of the anti-gun crowd that wants to put more restrictions on self-defense. The threat is not from the law-abiding armed citizen, but the thugs who don’t pay attention to the law. A gun automatically places a great amount of responsibility on the owner. That’s why we like the way North Carolina’s concealed carry permit is constructed. We also believe that public figures should thoroughly evaluate their security needs and plan accordingly. A gun isn’t for everyone, simply because everyone is different. But we will not chide people for defending themselves and taking steps to be secure in their person. It’s their constitutional right. Self-defense is the right of a free people | Hickory Daily Record Great editorial. I enjoyed it and thought you might, as well.

I couldn't agree more. My father was in the 3rd Marine Division on Guam and in reserve for Iwo Jima and Okinawa. He had two brothers, one in the 5th Division on Iwo Jima and one in the 6th Division at Okinawa. All of them saw combat service. I was looking forward to this series, watched it when it came out, have it on my DVR and am buying the DVDs. It gives you a feel for what these men went through. Neither my father nor his brothers ever really talked about their service other than in general terms, so this gives a picture to put with all the books I've read regarding what it was like. My father was 17 when he enlisted on November 10, 1942, the Marine Corps birthday. He enlisted after hearing that his best friend from High School, Quinn Curry, was killed in October 1942 on Guadalcanal. He was one of the millions of regular working class guys who answered their country's call and helped to defeat the tyranny of Imperial Japan. I could not be prouder of him, or all the others who served and sacrificed that I might be free. May God bless them all.

As I have participated in the Draco thread mentioned by Lester, I have not weighed in here. I have, however been sorely tempted to make a flippant remark like "go ahead and carry it, I need the money," but have shown remarkable restraint. The bottom line, I think, is there is no definitive answer. I find the Tennessee code definition of pistol very interesting and it gives imaginative DAs out to make a name for themselves by going against these " weapons of mass destruction" an opportunity for publicity and people like me the opportunity to make a buck.

Welcome.

Almost always true of every group. I mean look at this place. I've heard there are gun nuts here.

I assume you are referring to TCA §39-17-314. As I read it, it makes illegal training with the intent to commit a "civil disorder." “Civil disorder” means any public disturbance involving acts of violence by an assemblage of two (2) or more persons which acts cause an immediate danger of or result in damage or injury to the property or person of any other individual. If you don't espouse overthrow of the government, rioting or destroying the property of others, then you should be safe.

My opinion, as well.

.22 lr .32 S&W short .380 9 mm .40 S&W .45 ACP

It would be interesting. Make sure you have both bail and attorney retainer money ready. You may ultimately be proved right, but I'm reasonably sure it will be at a cost.

I would very much like to attend but that's drill weekend and cannot. Could some thought be given to scheduling such an event not on the first weekend of the month?

I've got a hankering for one of these. Does anyone here have one? Can you tell me how you like it?

To Court? Boy, then there'd be a violation of TCA § 39-17-1306.

OH, is that you in the photo? If so, you may be violating TCA § 39-17-1321.

I thought this question was interesting because I always tell my convicted felons that they can own a cap and ball pistol for home defense, so I asked a group of police officers from the Sumner County SSD, Hendersonville and Portland in General Sessions whether they would arrest someone who they found carrying a black powder pistol for carrying for the purpose of going armed. The consensus was that since anyone can buy them without restriction they would probably not arrest them if they didn't have a carry permit. I would still give the same advice I do to clients about baseball bats, etc., as to not tell the police you are carry them for personal protection, but were going to the range or some such. This isn't a scientific poll but I was curious how our local police viewed black powder weapons. Caution, however, dictates not carrying any handgun without a permit.

I, too, am a northerner by birth but have always considered myself a Southerner.

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He is inventing the theory of two hands. Frankly, I think he'd be better served with demonstrating how the weapon is fired with the sling, which hangs from the shoulder and is used to brace the pistol when fired. I'm ambivalent with regard to whether these are true pistols or SBR. If I were, for example, to take the butt stock off of an AK, does that make it a pistol or SBR? I honestly don't know.

Beautiful Sumner County.

OK, I've done some checking and here's the status of the case I mentioned in Sumner County. The person arrested is has a HCP and had in his possession a Kel Tec PLR-16. He was a driver of a car and the KelTec was in the center console. Also in the car were three other individuals, two who were convicted felons and one of whom was in possession of Schedule II (Cocaine). The Defendant has no prior convictions but based upon his tattoos he is believed to be affiliated with a gang. The Defendant's PLR had the forend and he was arrested for possession of a shortbarreled rifle under TCA §39-17-1302. TCA § 39-17-1301 a short barreled rifle is: (14) “Rifle” means any firearm designed, made or adapted to be fired from the shoulder and to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire a projectile through a rifled bore by a single function of the trigger; (15) “Short barrel” means a barrel length of less than sixteen inches (16²) for a rifle and eighteen inches (18²) for a shotgun, or an overall firearm length of less than twenty-six inches (26²); A preliminary hearing was held in General Sessions and the case was bound over by the Judge. The Grand Jury indicted the Defendant under the prohibited weapon statute. The case remains pending having been taken under advisement because they are supposedly awaiting an Attorney General's opinion on whether federal law designating this a pistol preempts the state law which suggests it is a short barreled rifle. The DA's argument is that a pistol is designed to be fired with one hand while a rifle is designed to be fired with two hands, hence the importance of the fore end on the PLR. He further argues that the .223 round is, and was designed as a rifle round, hence the PLR should be considered under the Tennessee statute, a short barreled rifle. The defense counsel worked out a deal for the under advisement based upon his knowledge that this weapon is the subject of a request for the AG's ruling based upon someone arrested with the same weapon in Percy Warner Park in Davidson County. The case has been under advisement for about 6 months and after one year, if the defendant has no other arrests, it will be dismissed. There is a hearing scheduled in March based upon the defense lawyer's request of the return of the weapon to the Defendant. Apparently they expect the AG's opinion before the hearing. That's what I know.

The latter's my guess.

I'm sorry to hear this. Rest in Peace.

To be honest, I'm not sure. The case was bound over to Criminal Court last Spring and I'll check to see its status. It may not be this particular pistol it may be one of the AR pistols that are out. Let me check and I'll get back to you.