Fallguy

Yes it would!! There are HCP instructors on this forum and AFAIK they all do a good job, but that can't be said for all out there. I don't want to start this debate, but I wouldn't be surprised if open carry wasn't mentioned at all in your class or that if it was the instructor may have said it is "technically" legal but strongly advised against it. Some do, some don't for a variety of reasons, but to me it is up to each person and what is right for them. As long as they have all the correct information. So with that in mind I will tell you there is an AG opinion that says park carry is illegal. Although there is a big difference between an AG opinion and a judge's ruling.

Can't say that I am, but that's a pretty cool rig!

Targetshooter you were told wrong...that's all I can say. Yes, at Pellissippi State you can not carry because it is a school, but it actually wouldn't have had to be broke down like that if you would have already had a HCP and left it in the car. See T.C.A. 39-17-1309©(1) {The second half of it} Also T.C.A. 39-17-1310 As far as state parks, that is an ongoing debate because of the way the law is worded it does not mention handguns. T.C.A. 39-17-1311 I have found out from what others have posted in this and other forums many students are either given no information, incomplete information or just flat out wrong information about some of the state laws and HCPs.

Just to clarify, yes it is illegal, in general, to carry on school property, but the fact that it is owned by the goverment has nothing to do with it. It is perfectly legally to carry on most state, county and local goverment property unless it is posted.

We had a similar discussion about the Natchez Trace Parkway on another forum. Here is the e-mail answer I got form the Park Rangers office. Under the Code of Federal Regulations (Title 36), an individual may transport a weapon in a vehicle on Park Service lands as long as: the weapon is unloaded, the weapon is broken down or made unusable - (ie. - magazine removed or weapon lock on revolvers), the weapon must be in a case and the weapon must be in a separate area, of the vehicle, than the ammunition. If the weapon is in the passenger area of the vehicle it must not be concealed. The Federal Government does not recognize State weapons permits for personal carry of weapons in National Parks. Thank you for inquiring and let us know if we can be of furhter service. David Atkins Staff Park Ranger Natchez Trace Parkway ------ So I think you would be ok in what you plan to do.

Mike's post brings up a good point. I have learned that almost all legislature's e-mails are first read by staff, and may be passed on to the elected offical. e-mails are good, phone calls are better, a visit in person is the best.

I would say canynracer is right. Look at the self defense law. T.C.A. 39-11-611(a)(2) “Dwelling†means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, that has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed for or capable of use by people

IMO it would be considered a school during the time classes are in session. The trouble with any of these "what if" and "how about" situations is, if it is not clear then it will be up to the LEO as whether to charge you or not, if he does it will be up to the judge or jury as to convict you or not, regardless of what anyone on here thinks. So you just have to decided on your own if the uncertainty of the legality is worth your encouter with a LEO and/or the court system. I know I (and I think razorback) think it is as far T.C.A. 39-17-1311 for example.

Here is legal defintion I found for "Notwithstanding". http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/N/Notwithstanding.aspx In spite of, even if, without regard to or impediment by other things as stated. Clear as mud now, right? Also, just to clarify from my first post...I have not asked me Rep to submit a question to the AG about this issue...it was for other things and AG OP 07-148 was issued.

Yep...pre-recorded. Both a hit and a miss are recorded. If you notice the video jumps just a bit after he shoots the first BG. Just like many video games the gun he has shoots a flash of light, the screen system can tell where the light hits....if it hits the BG the scene where the BG goes down plays, if he misses, then another scene plays...probably one where the BG shoots and then says you're dead.

Talk about being able to have a great party!!

Say.....since I haven't made any of the previous ones... Where it is the M&G going to be at anyway?

Of course....right up to the metal dectors anyway.

You know something to really consider doing is to go to capitol hill as a group the day the bill is supposed to be heard to show support for it. I have done this as part of another group on other legislation and seen it done by others. I will admit it doesn't always make a difference and can end up involving several trips, but it can't help but to make the committee members think a little when people take time from their day to come to Nashville to show support for a bill. Let me say too, although I am the one to suggest it, I will admit I don't think I would be the one to try to organize such a thing or even if the bills sponsor would want such a thing.

I agree that about sums it up. He won't bother if he doesn't have to, but will if he needs to.

Personally...I don't see why the Notwithstanding § 39-17-1322 part needed to be in there. I "think" I understand their intent...they didn't want the drug dealer, the guys at the crack house, the armed robber etc... being able to claim self-defense. But 39-17-1322 only clears you for crimes under "this part" Which means Part 13, of Chapter 17 of Title 39 or any law that starts 39-17-13xx not any of the others I mentioned.

Me too, but I have already asked my Rep to submit quesions to the AG for an opinon once...guess I could again, but don't want to over do it I guess...lol Also last time I did, most of the answers I didn't like and now there is an AG opinion out there on those matters.

Pretty much the way I take it as well. The only problem there "might" be is the wording in the "Castle Doctrine"/Self Defense law. This wording is why some pro-gun people acctually opposed the Castle Doctrine in TN. T.C.A. 39-11-611 Parts ((1), ((2) and (d)(3) ( (1) Notwithstanding § 39-17-1322, a person who is not engaged in unlawful activity and is in a place where the person has a right to be has no duty to retreat before threatening or using force against another person when and to the degree the person reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force. (2) Notwithstanding § 39-17-1322 , a person who is not engaged in unlawful activity and is in a place where the person has a right to be has no duty to retreat before threatening or using force intended or likely to cause death or serious bodily injury, if: (A) The person has a reasonable belief that there is an imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury; ( The danger creating the belief of imminent death or serious bodily injury is real, or honestly believed to be real at the time; and © The belief of danger is founded upon reasonable grounds. (d) The presumption established in subsection © shall not apply, if: (3) Notwithstanding § 39-17-1322 , the person using force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity;

If I can work it all out...ought to have a good weekend. Going to West TN M&G Friday the 15th and Mid TN M&G 16th or 17th.

If I can work it all out...ought to have a good weekend. Going to West TN M&G Friday the 15th and Mid TN M&G 16th or 17th.

If I can work it all out...ought to have a good weekend. Going to West TN M&G Friday the 15th and Mid TN M&G 16th or 17th.

Don't know for sure.... But I would be 99% sure you would be arrested and have to argue your point to the judge not the LEO on scene. ...and like Rightwinger, unless you jump the rail, you'd have to go within the confines of a building to get to the deck. At least I did at the Hooters in Denver.

There is this type insurance. Here are the 3 NRA endorsed plans the OP talked about....he was just looking for something better/cheaper. http://www.locktonrisk.com/nrains/epl.asp http://www.locktonrisk.com/nrains/selfdefense.asp http://www.locktonrisk.com/nrains/instructor.asp The last one is just for instructors it appears.

True. Just like if you intentionally wreck your car or burn it, the insurance will not pay. But if you are intentionally driving and accidently hit a tree, run into the ditch etc.... they will cover you. So even if you intentionally fire your weapon, I believe there is insurance to cover you if you hit an unintentional target.

It basically depends on two things, if they have a digital picture of you or if you look different than your current picture. When I first got my HCP is when they first started taking digital pictures. In fact after I got my HCP the next time I renewed my DL they used the picture taken for my HCP. So while unlikely now, if you hadn't had a digital picture taken they will take it when you get your HCP of DL. Also they are supposed to take a new picture if, by their determination, your apperance has substantially changed since your last picture they are supposed to take a new one. They will usually take a new one at your requst as well.