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True.....but as long as the dog stays in the yard they are not running at large. Best wait till they get to the sidewalk or street if you are going to shoot them.

The "J frames", Lab Puppies or both?

My brother missed out of playing one more year of Little League baseball because he was born on July 31st. Had he been born August 1st, he could have played one more year. I graduated in 1985 at 17 years old had I been born 3 days later I would have been in the class of '86 and 18 for 2/3 of my senior year. I guess my point is everyone matures at different rates and different levels, but at some point there has to be a legal line and you are either on one side of it or the other. You are either "legally" an adult at one age or another for all things. Since there is no way to individually determine what activities are appropriate for what people at what age....and just which people would make such decisions anyway?

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Perhaps that is because they have had the chance to get 3 more years experience? Maybe we need a Learner's Permit and/or a Graduated Permit for Handgun carry? You know...with a Learner's Permit you can only carry if you are accompanied by someone with a HCP. No open carry. Only one handgun Stage 1 Graduate permit. You can only carry a caliber of .38 or less. No open carry. Only one handgun Stage 2 Graduate permit. You can carry any caliber. You can open carry. Still only carry one handgun. Then full permit as we have now.

How is one that carries at work when something bad happens "adding to the problem"?

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Welcome.. Glad you made it hear in one piece.

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Yes....sorry about that...I did appreciate sharing the lane with you. And definitely need more ammo next time.....lol

Well honestly I like look things up, but you can at least back me up or tell me I'm way off base....lol But something you may have access to that I don't, at least not readily is case law on certain matters. On the M&G, maybe you can make the next one. I'm not 100% sure, but think they have settled on the 3rd Fri every month.

Musicman and all it was great to meet y'all. I had a great time. I have learned a few things..... Obviously great gun skills and/or knowledge is not a requirement to be a moderator on the board....lol I need to practice much more. Not sure I can make Mid-TN and West-TN M&G's every month... But most importantly TGO is made of good guys and gals that are very nice and knowledgeable and helpful. Thanks everyone!!!

I'll be heading out the door in a few minutes....look forward to seeing everyone.

The little girl had the least reaction to the shots than any of them....lol The good guy never went outside either....

I have an account there....best I remember the didn't require and inordinate amount of information. No more than eBay anyway...of course you probably don't use them either. Now that I know a few FFL dearlers on here and also since my brother works with one...I need to start checking on their more often I guess.

Perfectlly legal unless they have a properly posted sign under T.C.A. 39-17-1359

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4887&highlight=felon

Welcome..... Hope to see you at the Memphis/West-TN Meet and Great 03/21 at Range USA http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5705 Oh....and please feel free to take over looking up and posting T.C.A. code from me...lol

The foam might be a good consideration as well. Would stick to them much better.

Our local sheriff is also a full-time Baptist preacher. Not sure if he is armed at the pulpit, but wouldn't be surprised if he was. Although this doesn't go directly to the point of carry at church it is still a very interesting article. Should Christians Keep and Bear Arms A Christian Viewpoint Dr. Marshall C. St. John The Constitution of the United States of American contains this sentence: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.†Our Constitution is not part of the Bible, however it is based on Biblical principles. For example, the Constitution speaks of the necessity of a militia for the security of a free nation. “Militia†does not mean a professional army. It means the citizens of the nation bearing arms. It is the teaching of the Bible that citizens MAY, and often MUST bear arms for the defense of the nation. For example: 7 And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword. 8 And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword. 9 For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you. (Leviticus 26:7-9) In order for God's people to accomplish the will of God, it may sometimes be necessary for them to bear arms and literally fight. King David wrote in Psalm 18:34-39... “He teacheth my hands to war, so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms...I have pursued mine enemies, and overtaken them: neither did I turn again till they were consumed. I have wounded them that they were not able to rise: they are fallen under my feet. For thou hast girded me with strength unto the battle...†LESSONS FROM NEHEMIAH When Nehemiah was rebuilding the wall around Jerusalem, it was necessary for him and the other men to go armed for self-defense. Nehemiah 4:16-18 “And it came to pass from that time forth, that the half of my servants wrought in the work, and the other half of them held both the spears, the shields, and the bows, and the habergeons; and the rulers were behind all the house of Judah. They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon. For the builders, every one had his sword girded by his side, and so builded. And he that sounded the trumpet was by me.†Many of the heros of the Bible were men at arms: Joshua, Gideon, Samson, etc. lessons from God’s Law The first five books of the Bible are sometimes called the “Torah,†which means “The Law.†In these books we find the Ten Commandments, and many other laws God gave to His people to order their lives. In Exodus 22:2-3 we read: “If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.†In other words, homeowners are allowed by God’s Law to defend themselves against burglars who break in at night. lessons from jesus In Luke 22:36 Jesus commanded His disciples to be armed for self-defense. “Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.†Jesus commanded his disciples to buy swords, if they had none. They said they already had two, and Jesus said that would be enough. As a band of a dozen able-bodied men, they were quite safe from roving bandits, even if every man in the group was not carrying a weapon. The application is that Jesus commands us to be armed for self-defense, but He does not recommend that we go overboard with our weapons. Jesus said in another place, “He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.†Jesus encourages his followers to defend themselves, but He does not encourage us to be eager for battle and bloodshed. Self-defense may be necessary as a last resort, but violence should not be sought after and relished. God’s people are supposed to be peacemakers, not ruffians. Neither are we allowed to spread the Gospel by means of violence or military aggression. LESSONS FROM PAUL “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.†I Timothy 5:8 We must provide food and shelter for our families. It is also our duty to provide protection from criminals. The most effective way to do this is to move your family to a safe neighborhood. Also, we should make sure our communities have effective law enforcement officers. But what would you do if a criminal broke into your home? Are you prepared to defend your family? We pray for God to provide for us; but that does not excuse us from earning money, buying food and building houses. We pray for God to defend us from criminals, but that does not excuse us from taking steps to protect our families. Preserving Your Right to Keep and Bear Arms The importance of preserving your right to keep and bear arms is illustrated in I Samuel 13:19-22. “Now there was no smith found throughout all the land of Israel: for the Philistines said, Lest the Hebrews make them swords or spears: But all the Israelites went down to the Philistines, to sharpen every man his share, and his coulter, and his ax, and his mattock. Yet they had a file for the mattocks, and for the coulters, and for the forks, and for the axes, and to sharpen the goads. So it came to pass in the day of battle, that there was neither sword nor spear found in the hand of any of the people that were with Saul and Jonathan: but with Saul and with Jonathan his son was there found.†The Philistines conquered and dis-armed the Israelites. They even took away the means of weapons production, in order to enslave them. In order to revolt, the few Israelites who had weapons attacked some Philistines and took their weapons. This process continued until many Israelites had arms. In modern times, It is impossible to overthrow tyrants and have a free society unless the citizens have firearms, and know how to use them. RIGHTS COME FROM GOD It is vital for every Christian to realize that all our rights actually come from God. The government never gives you rights, but only recognizes rights you already have, or tries to take your rights away from you, to increase its power. It is clearly obvious that as government grows larger, our liberties are gradually being taken away. The second Amendment of the Constitution, the second right enumerated in the Bill of Rights, is the right to “keep and bear arms.†As we have seen from the scriptures quoted above, this right is rooted in the Bible, because the right to self-defense, and the obligation to protect the weak, is rooted in the Bible. An Objection Answered Someone may ask: “But what about turning the other cheek and not resisting evil? Aren’t Christians supposed to act like that? Aren’t we supposed to be pacifists?†The answer is simple: In those verses Jesus was telling Christians how to react to minor insults: a slap on the cheek, the loss of a coat, and so on. He was not addressing the Christian’s response to criminal activity or a tyrannical government. He did that when He said, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.†and “Love your neighbor as yourself.†If we love our neighbors, we will take steps to keep them safe from criminals. That may mean that we will personally need to use weapons to help our neighbors. It also means that we will support our local police in the apprehension of criminals. It also means that we will do whatever we can to make our government one that honors individual rights and liberties. Instead of taking vengeance on criminals personally, we will call on the police to find and arrest them, and bring them to justice. But when criminals attack us or our neighbors, and the police are not present, we will do what it takes, not just for our own sake, but for the Christian love we have for our families and communities. To dis-arm and to allow criminals to attack us and our neighbors unopposed is to be negligent about our Christian duty. Presbyterians thought this out a long time ago. In our official doctrinal statement, the Westminster Larger Catechism, Answer # 135 we read: “The duties required in the sixth commandment†include “just defence against violence.†Self-defense, and that involves keeping and bearing arms, is not only your privilege as an American Christian, it is your duty. Wayside Presbyterian Church 2502 Fairmount Pike Signal Mountain, TN 37377 www.waysidechurch.org __________________ Dr. M. St. John www.waysidechurch.org

Had to really twist your arm I bet....

Welcome Charles..... http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4493&highlight=Presidential+Election