Fallguy

39-17-1309 is what makes it illegal to carry on school property in general. 39-17-1310 provides a list of defenses to 39-17-1309. Basically means as long as you are complying with at least on the requirements of 39-17-1310 you should not be convicted of a violation of 39-17-1309 As far as the second half of 39-17-1309©(1) there has been lots of discussion whether or not that means you can leave a loaded firearm in your car or not. As part © leaves out the "intent to go armed" language from part (. Some feel that even not on your person, that a loaded weapon can show an intent to go armed. There have been bills introduced to make this more plain and simple...so far none have ever got out of committee...

I never though it included them, but I guess it could depend. If it just a daycare that has a bit of organization and calls itself a pre-school, I don't think it's the same as a state sponsored head start pre-school. Just my opinion.

IMO that sign doesn't meet the requirements of 39-17-1359 to be "legally" binding. In other words I don't think you could be charged with a crime for carry past that sign. Of course my opinion is about worth what you paid for it.... As often discussed on here, you can still be told to leave for being armed whether a place has a proper sign, a non-proper sign or no sign at all and if you don't leave you could be charged with trespassing. But with all that said, on your actual question, only someone at Centennial could tell you for sure if they mean that sign to allow those with a HCP to be able to carry. I think one could reasonably assume it does. Of course we all know about "assumptions" as well.

Correct. But even if there was a legal difference between bars and restaurants, 39-17-1305 was completely repealed so you can carry ANYWHERE that serves alcohol (unless posted of course).

Would make for a more fun way to put the whole in them though...wouldn't it?

Oops....lol

Well I think it might vary depending on the type of business and what the policy is, sort of like Chucktshoes said. If you work at a donut shop and are required to wear a hairnet and gloves while making the donuts...I don't think you'd have to wear them when you came in on your day off to buy some donuts.

Well to me as a customer, you're no longer representing the company at that moment. But that may just be me...

No harm, no foul...as far as I'm concerned. The back forth in this thread much more civil than I've seen in lots of others...

LOL...I don't disagree. You may not have meant it the way some of us took it, but I think it was the term "common sense" that sort of stood out. Sort of like it was a silly question in the first place....and in your situation it probably is. But if you work at retail location I think it's at least possible some policies may not apply while there as a customer.

I have been there a couple of different times for different events. I personally have never been searched, wanded or anything else, but I have seen others that were. As discussed in another thread, even if not posted, anybody in control of a property can tell you to leave for being armed. So while you may not be violating the law by carry there...it is more or less a crap shoot as to whether you may end up not being allowed in (probably even if you offered to disarm) and loose the money on your ticket and possibly more depending on others interpretation of law/policy.

I hear ya...and in that case I probably wouldn't either. As I said above, if it's not a place the public generally goes in the first place, then yeah, whether your working at the time or not...I'd say any policy still applies. But if it is a place the public goes, while any policy could still apply, it's not as automatic to assume so. LOL...well true, maybe not an "exact" comparison. But maybe you did get my point...which is mainly that if you work at a place open to the public, it's not necessarily a given all company policies apply when you are there as a member of the public and not working.

Fair enough. Do you ever go there shopping and/or as a member of the public?

Not to get this more off track but.... So if a company has a policy that says females can not were dangling ear rings or must wear their hair up or such when on duty...that automatically means they have to wear studs and can't let their hair down just when there in their period? If you work at a place that doesn't really have any public traffic like an office, factory or such...then yes, I would tend to agree that any policy covers you while you are there period, because even if off-duty you are probably not there as a member of the public. But if a place is open to the public, grocery store and such, I still maintain that a policy, even though it may/could, doesn't automatically apply when you are there as a member of the public. At least not without getting clarification. ...and yes, in TN and employer can fire you for no reason, but AFAIK if they actually do give a reason, they have to be able to back it up. That is why most HR people I have talked to say it is better most times to just let someone go without a reason than listing one.

Well I don't think that is the intention here either...that is why most everyone is suggesting to ask.

Found this after a real quick Google search. What number do I call if I need assistance from a police officer but it is not an emergency that requires calling 911? You can call the 911 center’s non-emergency line at (931) 552-1011 for non-emergency requests for assistance from a police officer . http://www.clarksvillepd.org/faq.aspx When I dispatched at the 911 center here, our director (I guess because we were new) was very vocal about calling us 911 in addition to the it being an actual telephone number. For a while the officers would use 911 on the radio to call us (eventually went to "communications"). So the officers and others got used to referring to us (the center) as 911. So at times the officers would tell people things like, "If the neighbors dog is a problem again, just call '911' and we'll come back out." Of course the officers meant to call us at dispatch (I think) and not actually dial 911, but that is what people would do. So there is and/or can be a public information problem.

Who are they dispatched by? Sometimes an agency is dispatched by someone else. That place should have a non-emergency number. The Parsons PD is dispatched by the Decatur Co 911 Center. There is a number for Parsons PD in the phone book, but you will either get city hall or nothing depending on the time of day. But there is as non-emergency number for the 911 center. However I admit many places aren't good a getting such info out. In a very few areas...you can dial 311 for non-emergency situations.

I have to agree...I wouldn't automatically think that a policy related to conduct on the job applied to off the job, but on the property. I mean it very well may, but I don't think it's "common sense" to assume so.

The store is going to be the only one that knows. There is no question of law here, only company policy. Even if she carried while on duty she is breaking no law, only company policy. Of course violating company policy has it's own consequences. PapaB probably has the best suggestion. Have her ask about the policies in general, that if they apply anytime she is in the store or only when on duty.

Decatur County does not have such an officer and no place or means to take any dog they may encounter. I also thought Milan lost there officer like this in the last round of budget cuts. I do agree reporting any incident though and to report on a non-emergency number and not 911.

As some of the BS and the law have already been covered, I'll try to leave those alone. When I used to read gas meters we used Wasp Spray. I really think it was just the sound that scared them more than anything. We also had some sort of "shock stick" but I personally didn't want to let them get that close. Ok...one more law. Although rarely enforced...there is a state law that prohibits dogs from running at large. 44-8-408. Dogs not allowed at large -- Exception -- Penalties. (a) As used in this section, unless the context otherwise requires, "owner" means a person who, at the time of the offense, regularly harbors, keeps or exercises control over the dog, but does not include a person who, at the time of the offense, is temporarily harboring, keeping or exercising control over the dog. ( The owner of a dog commits an offense if that dog goes uncontrolled by the owner upon the premises of another without the consent of the owner of the premises or other person authorized to give consent, or goes uncontrolled by the owner upon a highway, public road, street or any other place open to the public generally . ..... LexisNexis® Custom Solution: Tennessee Code Research Tool

It is T.C.A. 39-17-1359 You can look it up here LexisNexis® Custom Solution: Tennessee Code Research Tool However one thing to note....all a sign posted per 39-17-1359 does is make it a criminal offense to carry past it. Any property owner anywhere in the state can ask you to leave because you are armed, regardless of whether it posted properly, inproperly or not at all. If you don't leave after being asked, you could be charged with trespassing. (http://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/op/2007/op/op148.pdf see questions 5 & 6)

No.....coffee....lol

AFAIK there is no law that requires you to tell a LEO you are armed.

I agree... But the point I am trying to make is about answering questions....