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Thanks for posting Richard... Yes, I think these two bills are good Parking Lot bills...

OP says question answered....Thread closed.

Not as much now, but especially in the past, it wasn't uncommon to find a DOS worker that didn't know all the ins and outs of the HCP process. Of course too late for you now, but should have carried a printout of the website and keep moving up the chain until someone knew what they were doing. It has taken some having them call Nashville before the proper thing was done.

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What did you find? I do think the OP can change the title of a thread and it shows once you open the thread, but it doesn't show the change when looking at the least of threads in the sub-forum.

There are a few user reported databases like above you can check, but that will not be definitive. AFAIK most LEOs won't run it unless they have it in front of them. Because if it is stolen all kinds of things are set in motion after than...but if they don't have the gun...they want to know why you checked it. You can get a bill of sale (if the person is willing) from the person you buy it from. Or talk with a LEO before hand and have them run it after you buy it and run the risk of being out the money and no gun.

Well think I would still go with unloaded mags.....no real reason for them to be loaded on the way to the range...

Well New York and New York City do issue their own permits...even if very rarely...

It is not a hoax..

Now that is an idea!!!

That's my question....are you covered under LEOSA?

Moved this thread for reasons explained in this thread http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/carry-prohibited-locations/41564-faq-how-sub-forum-works.html

Great show...and as mentioned Anson Mount is from TN. I'm following him on twitter and he really is a nice guy and interacts with his fans.

I guess I hadn't looked at the defense of property in a while and/or didn't clearly read it when it changed in 2009. From what I can tell, it doesn't prevent the "threat" of deadly force, just the "use" of it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 39-11-614. Protection of property. (a) A person in lawful possession of real or personal property is justified in threatening or using force against another, when and to the degree it is reasonably believed the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property. ( A person who has been unlawfully dispossessed of real or personal property is justified in threatening or using force against the other, when and to the degree it is reasonably believed the force is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the property, if the person threatens or uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the dispossession: (1) The person reasonably believes the other had no claim of right when the other dispossessed the person; and (2) The other accomplished the dispossession by threatening or using force against the person. © Unless a person is justified in using deadly force as otherwise provided by law, a person is not justified in using deadly force to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on real estate or unlawful interference with personal property. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sort of like the threat/use of deadly force for LEOs making an arrest, there are times you can threaten it, but not use it. But also...after a closer reading it would seem ((2) if they have already got the property from you...you can only threaten/use force to get it back, if they threatened/used force to take it from you.

Can you elaborate? The actually Aggravated Assault law 39-13-102 doesn't mention any differences between your home or on the street. Now if you are talking about the difference of your home and the street as far as the Self Defense law 39-11-611, there is no difference on when deadly force is allowed. The difference comes into whether you have the presumption of being in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm, in your house (and some other places) you have that presumption, in the street you don't.

Well as I said...I doubt I will often chase them (unless they still have something of mine) but the defense of property law specifically mentions "fresh pursuit". So of course not saying a DA can't do whatever they want....but you'd have the law on your side. But also, even if they don't still have something and someone chases them...remember the citizens arrest law allows the use of force to make the arrest. I'm not saying these laws are air tight and I don't have any case law right off the bat.....but I still stand by you don't have to just let Thugs get away with doing Thuggy things if you choose not to.

IANAL butI really don't see how. As long as you don't go beyond the "reasonable force necessary" to prevent or terminate the interference with your property and somehow the BG would become justified under the SD law to use force against you. When this comes up I always here the "escalating the situation" thing...but I just don't understand...someone is trying to steal from me, I am trying to stop them...how is that escalating anything? Now if the BG somehow tries to kill or seriously injury me...then HE is the one that escalated it to a SD situation...NOT me. Of course 9 times out of 10 I doubt I'm going to be chasing them down....so as long as my threat or start of the use of force causes them to drop my stuff and run.....I'll watch them run away and be thankful I didn't just watch them take my stuff and that I still have it. But...maybe this is just me....if someone wants to sit and watch and call 9-1-1 then that is their prerogative as well.

Yeah...that is pretty much what I was saying...

Ok...I skipped a few post...but... Just because you have a firearm doesn't mean the only choices are shoot or do nothing...... If someone is stealing your stuff, if you're not going to shoot them, DOES NOT mean you just have to watch them or help them.... You CAN use FORCE to stop a theft, just not deadly force...unless it becomes a self-defense situation. This is not MA...if a thief gets a broken jaw or a scratch (not a total beat down) in your use of force while stopping his attempted theft/robbery I really don't think any reasonable DA is going to charge you. If they do...please let me know...I will be at the jail/courthouse everyday with my sign and chanting "Free xxxx"

I started to say something as well...but did not want to turn this into another one of the endless OC v CC debate threads. One could say Yes...OC may have prevented it this before it arose...or one might say if the BG was determined it would just cause him to go straight to deadly force. Maybe one is more likely than the other...but both are possible. So in the end I think OC or CC is a personal choice that there is no right or wrong answer/situation for.

Yes

When I first saw the thread title I thought might be talkig about where as far as car, home, street. Was going to say makes no difference (in TN) as long as your are in reasonable fear, only difference is whether the law presumes you have that fear or not. That said...it does seem to make a big difference where you are as far as what part of the country. Remember...some states still say you must retreat, some even within your own home.

Think I found it... Changed "4 GOP contenders of the Virginia Ballot" to "4 GOP contenders off the Virginia Ballot"

OS is correct. What is the thread and what would you like it changed to and I'll fix it.

Have you tried removing and reinstalling the app? Not that it helps with your issue, but when the board is switched from vBulletin to IPB it has a very good native skin that IMO doesn't really need TapTalk.