sigmtnman

  Nah, the Bush supporters would.

It's the Temperance movement all over.  I say F, the mothers!

As long as it keeps the kids safe and us when we travel, why complain? 

mmm etouffee and beignets.

  No, I feel every right is equal and no right trumps another whether enumerated or not.  And of all people, in no circumstance do I believe anyone has the right to search another persons vehicle.   If you want to carry a gun in your car onto another persons property, go ahead.  By the same token if that person does not want you on their property, for whatever reason, they should be able to throw you off of it.   What I am saying is that my property rights trump your right when you are on my property.  The government should not be used as a tool to allow you to do what you want on my property.

  You have no need to be sorry.  I see now that the OSHA part was but one facet of the argument.   Now, I'm no lawyer and didn't sleep at the holiday inn last night, but it reads to me like the plaintiff's chosen case law did not support their claim.  Therefore at this time, the court does not support their claim.   I'll end with this.  The Ninth Amendment is one of the most important ones and is frequently overlooked or forgotten.  A bunch of lawyers sitting on a bench speaking in foreign tongue, referencing obscure case law does not make it any more palatable.  At the end of they day, forcing a property owner to allow things onto his property he does not desire is not the way to go about this.  Folks should man up and put their rights ahead of the all mighty dollar.  One day you may just find yourself on the apposing view point of one of your rights and someone else will use the .gov as the tool to extract it from you.

  Why not use that same logic regarding a company who does not support your right to carry.   This is my point:  As individuals we have the ability to support businesses as consumers and as employees.  The appropriate way to voice dissatisfaction with a company and it's policies is through the marketplace.  If you don't like that they don't allow guns on their property go to another job, just as you suggest for not providing easy parking.    Using the government to force your desires on others is not the way to do it.  That is a slippery slope that no one minds, until it goes against their own beliefs and desires.

  This is the root of the problem for me.  No one minds using the thug government to tell others what rights they have as long as it is in agreement with their views.

  The way I understand it that is true as long as they are arguing it is due to OSHA.  Again, in TN the going armed is illegal.  The HCP is a defense.

I'll have to ponder this a bit, but off the cuff, we both know that carrying a firearm is illegal and that the HCP is a defense  against violation of the law.

I agree with you in situations where public money is given.   To answer your question, the 5th Amendment:   "...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation"   Enacting a law to force a property owner to do something is in violation, without just compensation.  The question would be what is just compensation, and who decides.

  So, you are saying that because the employer allows employees to park, it becomes quasi-public property?

  So, do you have to let me park my vehicle on your property as I see fit?

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

The fit and finish is superb to boot.

My boy has a scout and it is a tack driver.  CZ makes fine weapons.

  you could always lop off a limb or two right before, though you may need to modify the rigging to still work.  :D  j/k

This violates property rights.  If an employer does not want guns on his property that is his right.  It is also everyones right to find someplace that will allow them to carry.  My only exclusion from this right should be the government since it is supposed to serve the people.

Simple. It is because they "act" like it will help you, when in reality the laws will end up taking away and harming.

  Don't forget.... Qualified to administer a psych test as well.    When everyone is crazy, who sets the bar?

we should do it for the children.

Fed laws are written in bizzaro language and are intended to have the opposite affect from the euphamistic name.

Wow.  Glad y'all are ok!

wow is right

Damn dude.  Hate is pretty strong.  :lol: