Rebels010

Agree 100%. It's slowly growing on me.

Not sure if you guys have seen this, but I'm at least intrigued. Would love to shoot it. http://www.hudsonmfg.com/product/

I had a complete rifle. It still had some issues and I sent it back to PWS and they honed the chamber. It ran a little better, but the accuracy was never what I would tolerate. Especially with a Kidd and Fedderson 10/22's that shot groups twice as small. It was still a really cool weapon, and I probably should have tried some different barrels with it, just with headspacing concern I decided to cut my losses.

I had one and never could get mine to run and feed and smooth as I would have liked. That and and when I would take it hunting sometimes I would forget to work the bolt because I was so used to using my 10/22's. Like a lot that I have sold, in seeing one like this I still regret selling it.

I've owned both and would go Ruger. They both shot lights out but the mag alone is the selling point. If you hunt at all the savage mag will jab you in the side while on a sling. Plus once you get some mags it will give you a good excuse to get a 10/22. A requirement of any gun collection.

My vote is 6.5. I have some new e-lander mags direct from Alexander arms and they run flawless. At $20 they are little more expensive but how many 25 round mags does your woods gun need? Also, I've shot steel at 100 with a 6.5, 300 blk, 556, 7.62x39 and a 458. Clearly the 458 is on another level on the steel, but the 6.5 hits much harder than the others and I'm using a 16 inch barrel too. 7.62x39 comes in third for what's it worth.

It's a mid-length. I bought mine direct from Alexander Arms for $195. I trust them since Bill Alexander helped design the round. It's double fluted and very light. While it's a plinker for me with steel ammo, because of its light weight I will probably hunt with it some this fall.

I recently built a 16 inch Grendel using the Alexander arms lightweight barrel and I'm in love with that little rifle. Very lightweight set up and the round hits hard on steel at 100. the 223's just tap the steel where the Grendel smacks the .... out of it. I built this one to shoot the wolf steel cased ammo. That ammo is under .30 cents around and I'm getting 1.5 groups with that ammo at 100. About a inch or so with factory hornady ammo. Very pleased for a rifle built to be a plinker. I haven't had a chance to stretch its legs yet, but will try to remember to let you know if I do. Check out the 65grendel forum. Ton of good info there. feel free to PM me with any questions, I will help answer any questions I can.

The glock 42 issue was an initial design fail, not a MFG fail.

I'm a huge fan of the 22 mag round. It out performs its size on game. I have a pmr 30 and m77/22. That said, the current scarcity of ammo followed by the huge increase in cost when you can find it, makes me stay away from any guns chambered in 22 mag. Heck, I bought a 17 hmr and said I would never do that because of my love of 22 mag. At the moment though, it's cheaper and easier to feed for range time.

Thanks for the feedback and this thread, an AK is always in the back of my mind. I just always debate on the ammount of money to add a new gun plus ammo, or I could take the 1k and buy more ammo for my existing guns and spend more time training with them...

So is this what you guys are recommending? Do you feed these guys steel ammo too? http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/cai-ak-47-wasr-10-7-62x39mm-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0

I have not not shot one, but fondled one at LGS and it almost went home with me. Waiting on a factory threaded version. The grip feels good and fiber optic sights are a nice size. Not so big that it's blinding outside. They put a lot of good thought into this one for sure.

I have this rifle and in limited time with it, have been impressed. Only have about 12-15 rounds through it but once sighted in I shot 3 sub moa (.75) at 100 yards. Very small small sample size for but for the cost of the rifle I'm very pleased. Plan to shoot it more but for the money and with a threaded barrel it's hard to beat.

What distance are you shooting it at? Where is it hitting? Have you had someone shoot it to verify groups? In my experience its usually not the sights but a shooters habit. Don't take that as insult because it may not at all be the case for your gun. I just like to remove all variable before adjusting.

What Walmart or academy did you see the ammo at for cheap?

I have some nice electronic muffs, and they may help keep my ears warm during some hunting trips. I just like to go without them when I can. I think I'm just going to keep the rifles as is, and either hunt with my Blackouts, or save a little money and buy a Ruger Predator in the 6.5 Creedmoor.

When it comes to suppressed shooting, the blackout puts a beat down on every rifle caliber. I have one in 8.5 inch AR, a 16 inch AR and handi rifle. For the money, the handi is tough to beat, the if I was only going to get one I would get the ruger. It's a reloaders wet dream too, can use 223 brass and endless choices of 30 cal bullets. It's popularity is growing everyday, checkout how many offerings midway has of different types of ammo. You can buy it at Walmart too. Is it the perfect round, no, but its close for suppressed shooting.

  That's true, but for hunting purpose, one or two shots without hearing protection is much more manageable, and safe to me.  I wear hearing protection when I'm not hunting with my can on.  

I have two current rifles that I have had for over 20 years.  They are Remington model 700's in .243 and 7mm mag.  They have wood stock and blued barrels.  Your normal hunting rifles.  They have been hunting a lot, so they have normal wear and marks from years of hunting.  I like to call it character.  Both are very accurate and great shooters.    Now that you have a little history, I have considered getting them threaded so I can shoot them with my 30 cal can to make both of them hearing safe, but have some apprehensions.     1.  Possibility of them being threaded affecting accuracy.  (poor workmanship, or just a new change to the barrel that doesn't jive.) 2.  Concern of taper barrels and a 30 cal can hanging off the end affecting harmonics and accuracy. 3.  Additional cost of barrel thread and QD mounts truly worth it? 4.  While these guns are nostalgic to me, will I end up shooting them more than my AR's 300 blackout?   I don't shoot these guns anymore mainly because it's just nice to hunt with my blackout and be hearing safe, but I like the extended range these would offer.     So, does anyone have any experience have "non" tactical rifles threaded and can offer any advice?     Thanks in advance.      

I too love the 22 mag round and agree with a lot the assessments you have made. If you are going to suppress, I would stick bolt action, 22 mag semi autos can be picky enough, let alone having all that blowback that suppressor a create. Also, MR works off of gas block system to bleed the pressure, so a barrel change does not always work and not sure how the suppressor would affect the gas block. I've owned and savage bull barrel that was a shooter and I regret selling. I sold because like you I didn't like the mag sticking out and it would stick me in the side walking in the woods from time to time. I've always wanted a 77/22 mag, and they are so easy to customize and get shooting well, just was always worried about the money it may take to get it there. A stainless one with a boat paddle stock would be a great woods gun, but good luck finding one. The RAR is by far going to be your best and most economical option IMHO. You can get flush fit 9 round mags and buy the barrel already threaded. While I can't speak first hand, they have had really good accuracy reviews from what I have read. I just recently sold my CZ 512, and it was a great shooter and very realiable. I believe they have a tactical model that will come with a theaded barrel, but the mags aren't flush. Based on the way it fed, it would be the one semi I would recommend.

I will check it out. Thanks for the help.

Talk about thread resurrections...   But I found this when and I'm having the same issue with my 472 PCA.  It's inconsistent and the shorter the shell the better it feeds.  Almost as if the elevator is delayed in raising as the OP referenced.    What ended up being the solution to fix it?

If you don't reload right2bearammo has some good loads too. They offer the 168GR hot load for a little more oomph if you want it. http://www.right2bearammo.com/shop/catalog/index.php/cPath/54/osCsid/9698077fe97de681fbf019772823c448

I'm not sure why, but there is nothing more fun than shooting without muffs. If you build the blackout, the can will come...