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It's a mid-length. I bought mine direct from Alexander Arms for $195. I trust them since Bill Alexander helped design the round. It's double fluted and very light. While it's a plinker for me with steel ammo, because of its light weight I will probably hunt with it some this fall.

I recently built a 16 inch Grendel using the Alexander arms lightweight barrel and I'm in love with that little rifle. Very lightweight set up and the round hits hard on steel at 100. the 223's just tap the steel where the Grendel smacks the .... out of it. I built this one to shoot the wolf steel cased ammo. That ammo is under .30 cents around and I'm getting 1.5 groups with that ammo at 100. About a inch or so with factory hornady ammo. Very pleased for a rifle built to be a plinker. I haven't had a chance to stretch its legs yet, but will try to remember to let you know if I do. Check out the 65grendel forum. Ton of good info there. feel free to PM me with any questions, I will help answer any questions I can.

The glock 42 issue was an initial design fail, not a MFG fail.

I'm a huge fan of the 22 mag round. It out performs its size on game. I have a pmr 30 and m77/22. That said, the current scarcity of ammo followed by the huge increase in cost when you can find it, makes me stay away from any guns chambered in 22 mag. Heck, I bought a 17 hmr and said I would never do that because of my love of 22 mag. At the moment though, it's cheaper and easier to feed for range time.

Thanks for the feedback and this thread, an AK is always in the back of my mind. I just always debate on the ammount of money to add a new gun plus ammo, or I could take the 1k and buy more ammo for my existing guns and spend more time training with them...

So is this what you guys are recommending? Do you feed these guys steel ammo too? http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/cai-ak-47-wasr-10-7-62x39mm-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0

I have not not shot one, but fondled one at LGS and it almost went home with me. Waiting on a factory threaded version. The grip feels good and fiber optic sights are a nice size. Not so big that it's blinding outside. They put a lot of good thought into this one for sure.

I have this rifle and in limited time with it, have been impressed. Only have about 12-15 rounds through it but once sighted in I shot 3 sub moa (.75) at 100 yards. Very small small sample size for but for the cost of the rifle I'm very pleased. Plan to shoot it more but for the money and with a threaded barrel it's hard to beat.

What distance are you shooting it at? Where is it hitting? Have you had someone shoot it to verify groups? In my experience its usually not the sights but a shooters habit. Don't take that as insult because it may not at all be the case for your gun. I just like to remove all variable before adjusting.

What Walmart or academy did you see the ammo at for cheap?

I have some nice electronic muffs, and they may help keep my ears warm during some hunting trips. I just like to go without them when I can. I think I'm just going to keep the rifles as is, and either hunt with my Blackouts, or save a little money and buy a Ruger Predator in the 6.5 Creedmoor.

When it comes to suppressed shooting, the blackout puts a beat down on every rifle caliber. I have one in 8.5 inch AR, a 16 inch AR and handi rifle. For the money, the handi is tough to beat, the if I was only going to get one I would get the ruger. It's a reloaders wet dream too, can use 223 brass and endless choices of 30 cal bullets. It's popularity is growing everyday, checkout how many offerings midway has of different types of ammo. You can buy it at Walmart too. Is it the perfect round, no, but its close for suppressed shooting.

  That's true, but for hunting purpose, one or two shots without hearing protection is much more manageable, and safe to me.  I wear hearing protection when I'm not hunting with my can on.  

I have two current rifles that I have had for over 20 years.  They are Remington model 700's in .243 and 7mm mag.  They have wood stock and blued barrels.  Your normal hunting rifles.  They have been hunting a lot, so they have normal wear and marks from years of hunting.  I like to call it character.  Both are very accurate and great shooters.    Now that you have a little history, I have considered getting them threaded so I can shoot them with my 30 cal can to make both of them hearing safe, but have some apprehensions.     1.  Possibility of them being threaded affecting accuracy.  (poor workmanship, or just a new change to the barrel that doesn't jive.) 2.  Concern of taper barrels and a 30 cal can hanging off the end affecting harmonics and accuracy. 3.  Additional cost of barrel thread and QD mounts truly worth it? 4.  While these guns are nostalgic to me, will I end up shooting them more than my AR's 300 blackout?   I don't shoot these guns anymore mainly because it's just nice to hunt with my blackout and be hearing safe, but I like the extended range these would offer.     So, does anyone have any experience have "non" tactical rifles threaded and can offer any advice?     Thanks in advance.      

I too love the 22 mag round and agree with a lot the assessments you have made. If you are going to suppress, I would stick bolt action, 22 mag semi autos can be picky enough, let alone having all that blowback that suppressor a create. Also, MR works off of gas block system to bleed the pressure, so a barrel change does not always work and not sure how the suppressor would affect the gas block. I've owned and savage bull barrel that was a shooter and I regret selling. I sold because like you I didn't like the mag sticking out and it would stick me in the side walking in the woods from time to time. I've always wanted a 77/22 mag, and they are so easy to customize and get shooting well, just was always worried about the money it may take to get it there. A stainless one with a boat paddle stock would be a great woods gun, but good luck finding one. The RAR is by far going to be your best and most economical option IMHO. You can get flush fit 9 round mags and buy the barrel already threaded. While I can't speak first hand, they have had really good accuracy reviews from what I have read. I just recently sold my CZ 512, and it was a great shooter and very realiable. I believe they have a tactical model that will come with a theaded barrel, but the mags aren't flush. Based on the way it fed, it would be the one semi I would recommend.

I will check it out. Thanks for the help.

Talk about thread resurrections...   But I found this when and I'm having the same issue with my 472 PCA.  It's inconsistent and the shorter the shell the better it feeds.  Almost as if the elevator is delayed in raising as the OP referenced.    What ended up being the solution to fix it?

If you don't reload right2bearammo has some good loads too. They offer the 168GR hot load for a little more oomph if you want it. http://www.right2bearammo.com/shop/catalog/index.php/cPath/54/osCsid/9698077fe97de681fbf019772823c448

I'm not sure why, but there is nothing more fun than shooting without muffs. If you build the blackout, the can will come...

Are you really wanting to be talked out of it? If so and your not going to shoot it suppressed I don't see the point. I would choose the 6.5 Grendel over the Blackout if I was not going to suppress it. Now, that being said, I sold all of my Grendel stuff and now shoot the blackout. But I do it silently...

Savings is obviously tied to how much you shoot. I have also jumped feet first into the Blackout round after ordering a .30 Cal suppressor I'm still waiting on. I don't reload yet, as I don't shoot enough to justify the start up cost, that being said, I'm getting close though... Here is a webite that I will order some rounds from for hunting with it this fall. They also post the ballistics of their rounds for those who have always been curious about the stats on both the super and subsonic rounds on the blackout. http://www.right2bearammo.com/shop/catalog/index.php/cPath/54/osCsid/9698077fe97de681fbf019772823c448

Overpriced for sure. I'm sure Will would say his AR is a "Game Changer", like everything else they build, but like past comments from others, you can build a better rifle for cheaper without the wait. If you really like Red Jacket and that's what you want, then get it. I personally don't buy the hype.

Made a call and Leupold is not putting those reticles in existing scopes and will only be available for their new line. That sucks.

I have a 2x7 leupold I may put on it. I will be hunting and plinking with it. I plan on it being 100 and in subsonic, though may try to stretch it to 150. Supersonic would be for 200 and in, but would like to plink out to 300 to see if could work. Alleycat, whats the details on the reticle? Did you pick it or design it? What did that run? You can pm me the details if you prefer. NM, read the article to the link you attached. Going to contact leupold tomorrow. Thanks. I will still like to know what current users of the blackout are doing.

So as I patiently wait for my suppressor to come in, I have been upgrading and modding my blackout rifle. Where I haven't made any concrete decisions is my optic. Because the suppressor my budget is limited, but I would like to shoot both sub and supersonic ammo through it. That versaitly along with several other reasons is what drew me to this round. So the question is, what set ups are you guys running to capitalize on both rounds out of your blackout rifles? Irons and scope? Mil-dots reticles? Adjustable turrets with "marked" adjustments? Just curious to see what is working for others.