Murgatroy

Interesting way to wrap up the season.

[quote name='atlas3025' timestamp='1354633980' post='854739'] Refresh my memory, was Phillip and Brian BOTH in the comic AND the show? I don't remember Brian in the show, nor Phillip in the comic... [/quote] Brian has not made an appearance in the show. Philip died before Brian showed up in the comics. The Road to Woodbury told their story. Philip and Brian were brothers. Philip was the alpha. He had a daughter named Penny. She turned, he went crazy, killed a human to feed Penny. Brian killed him, then changed his name to Philip and 'became' his brother, as a costume of power to be who he wanted to be. He was a sick twisted SOB. I think that was the whole point of the 'I don't give out my name' bit with Andrea in the TV show. As Philip and Brian are two different characters The point he was Philip and not Brian was significant.

I sincerely hope someone is looking for a new job this evening.

[quote name='TMF' timestamp='1354586196' post='854567'] I don't recall, but if you're right I guess that puts him close to the line. I guess the big thing I see separating them is that Rick sees it as a duty and a burden to be in charge, where the governor seems to see it as power. Plus he goes out of his way to kill any rivals. Once again, very political. [/quote]That is where I keep going back. He went to Lori before he even made the deal and discussed killing them with her. She said something along the lines of supporting him no matter what. If it were'n't late I would go back to watch the beginning of the second episode to refresh myself, but I am tired.

[quote name='TMF' timestamp='1354584978' post='854554'] Yes, but that is after half of their group tried to kill him. Guilty by association and all. I wouldn't have invited a group of convicts into my group, and when the one got lippy in the beginning with the threats I would have immediately kicked him off the planet. He has far more patience then I would ever have. [/quote]I am pretty sure that Rick discussed and was willing to kill them almost immediately. Didn't he have that discussion with Lori before he even struck the deal with them to split the food and give them their own cellblock? That is what I keep coming back to. He was willing to write them off before they had the chance to cross him.

[quote name='TMF' timestamp='1354583232' post='854533']...That requires a special kind of evil. He's a politician. [/quote]I didn't catch that the first time through. I like that, and I agree with that.

[quote name='Clod Stomper' timestamp='1354584071' post='854544'] Ok, someone please refresh me. I read the comics through about issue 96, I think. But that has been a while. POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT!! Isn't the TV show sort of combining two different parts in the comics? In the comics, I remember the run-in with a nutcase in charge of a sort-of town while Rick's group were at the prison. Where they had gladiator fights, they cut off Rick's hand and Michonne chopped up the leader. BUT, didn't the town of Woodbury come AFTER they were run out of the prison? Where Rick was made the local Peace Officer, Andrea was a tower sniper and Rick's group surreptitiously got their weapons from the armory "just in case"? Am I remembering wrong? [/quote]No, you have the timeline messed up. The TV show is in line with the comics, just telling it differently. Woodbury was at the prison. When Rick lost his hand. Michonne chopped up the Governor. The TV show is just telling it in a different way, with new characters. The Governor in the comics was Brian, Philip's brother who wanted to be like Philip, but was weak. He was a sadist, and an evil man. That is not who Philip is. The Governor in the TV series.

[quote name='TMF' timestamp='1354583232' post='854533'] Rick hasn't murdered to take anything that isn't his. He has killed to keep his group safe, but he hasn't gone out of his way to control, manipulate and murder. I'd say the big difference is motivation. Rick has no desire to be in charge, nor does he look for conflict. The governor is motivated by a need to be in charge and control the common folk. That requires a special kind of evil. He's a politician. [/quote]I can not agree with that. Rick was more than willing to kill the inmates with no further provocation than them being there. Sure, he didn't, but I bet ol' Axel and Oscar had to change their drawers none the less. The two cats in the bar, and Randall are different as well, but Rick's hands aren't as clean as some folks imagine them, and Rick himself knows this. Think about his phone call. That was all in his head. And in his head, he was questioning how and why he had killed. He felt guilt over it. Think about the Not Shane that killed Oscar. A man with clean hands wouldn't be having these issues. I like that they show Rick as a man of morals. Don't get me wrong. I just do not see Philip as being in the wrong. Misguided, but not wrong.

[quote name='Lester Weevils' timestamp='1354583130' post='854526'] Yep in the TV show they made him ambiguously evil, not a whole lot more "obviously" evil than anyone else. Crazy of course, but all the cast is mostly crazy by this point after a year of zombie apocalypse, and maybe a person would have to be crazy to keep on keeping on in such situation. [/quote]I was having this conversation on another site, and no one seemed to get it. They couldn't differentiate the Governor from the comics (Brian) and the Governor in the TV show (Philip.) In the grand scheme of things, he has done nothing more than what it takes to survive. If anyone were to be seen as a villain, it would be Michonne. Even after the arms were opened and the hand of friendship extended, she bit it and ran. Sure, Andrea isn't that bright, but even she realized that things weren't [i]that[/i] bad in Woodbury. The only think Philip has done that crosses the line was the slaughter of the soldiers, but even then, he knew that with their military structure, they would be a threat to his power. Similar to Rick and the inmates, or even Rick and Merle if you go back far enough. I see it similar to Shane and Otis. Yes, Shane was wrong, but his actions saved Carl. And other than Shane being insane, he was a more valuable member of the group in his skill set.

Can do. I think we have discussed my absurd CL addiction.

At the end of it all, I know I am in the minority here, but while Philip is a bit... off, I don't see him as a villain. In the comics, yes, but other than a few questionable acts, he is no worse that Rick and his folks. I think Michonne has been a wasted character this season. She had so much potential, but I am so disappointed with lack of development her character has received.

[quote name='JAB' timestamp='1354558296' post='854295'] Yeah, I also think that was a very intentional statement by Tyreese. The woman with him was making demands and speaking to Carl as if he were a little boy. I think Tyreese was saying, "The person who just voluntarily came down into those tunnels alone, fought his way through a couple of walkers by himself, made across-the-room headshots to save our butts then lead us to safety and without flinching offered to take care of our friend so she wouldn't turn is not a little boy. No matter his age or stature, that is a man and I respect him as such." [/quote]That is what I gathered from the conversation too. I had seen the transformation occur, but this episode made it plain.

If your requirement wasn't an hour outside, I am sure something would be available up here. However, that is four hours.

Quite an ending.

"Let the man go." Carl is a man, I didn't see that till just now.

Carl is a little bad ass now, isn't he?

Did we just meet Tyreese?

With older computers you are lucky if you can get someone to come collect them for free. Several years ago my company moved to a new building. They left behind probably 100 obsolete computers and some heavy duty industrial printers. After calling nearly a dozen places, and advertising on Craigslist, I had ONE person offer to haul them off free of charge for recycling, versus everyone else wanting me to pay then $20 just to show up to evaluate how much it would cost to haul them off. If you have better luck, I wish it to you. The issue is that once a computer component is five years old, it is so obsolete that there is literally no use for it. You can build a computer today, of last year's latest and greatest for about the third the cost of the parts when they were new. And it will be obsolete in a few years. It is a tough gig.

Looks like it was real. http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-waverly-barricade-20121201,0,3406641.story

I think the Hombre model is still available from Academy. I don't know if it is available in .45LC, but I know that the .357 variant is priced less than three bills.

My father was stationed on The Big E for several years in my youth.

I am fond of my Jericho/Baby Eagle compact. 12+1 rounds of 9mm in a full steel compact about the same size as my Glock 19. Since you are used to a CZ anyways, the Jericho/Baby Eagle would be right up your alley, as it is a CZ Clone. [img]http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/4/6/img_20120713_143921.jpg[/img]

[quote name='6.8 AR' timestamp='1354397862' post='853488'] There wasn't a market for the light bulb until someone created it. [/quote]I have to disagree with that old saying. The lightbulb was the game changer for the candle, which there was a market for.

But wouldn't it waste a round every time you didn't pull the opposing trigger? I think it is a waste of resources personally.

It is quite obviously a still. Then again, I come from deep in them there hills... Never seen one made by a factory.