monkeylizard

  This.   It's not the same as carrying past a properly posted sign at a store or restaurant. This is playing with a much bigger dog.

          Hershmeister, I'm confused. You said a BOS gives you an ironclad guarantee, then you agree with me that a BOS isn't ironclad.   Which is it?

After reading back through that a little more closely, am I understanding 39-17-1309 correctly as follows?   (B ) is saying any weapon is off limits if carried with the intent to go armed. (C ) is specific to firearms but leaves out the intent to go armed. The exception for non-student adults and vehicles is only for paragraph (c ).   If I followed that correctly, how does having a loaded handgun in the car while you're also in the car not violate (B )? I very much intend to go armed when carrying a handgun, unless I'm not understanding what the legal distinction of that phrase means.

Yep...the entire Internet-connected world got that joke except him. FAIL.

I think your office building is going to be a no-go.   TCA 39-17-13-09 [quote](b )  (1 ) It is an offense for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, with the intent to go armed, any firearm, explosive, explosive weapon, bowie knife, hawk bill knife, ice pick, dagger, slingshot, leaded cane, switchblade knife, blackjack, knuckles or any other weapon of like kind, not used solely for instructional or school-sanctioned ceremonial purposes, in any public or private school building or bus, on any public or private school campus, grounds, recreation area, athletic field or any other property owned, used or operated by any board of education, school, college or university board of trustees, regents or directors for the administration of any public or private educational institution. [/quote]   [quote](c )  (1) It is an offense for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any firearm, not used solely for instructional or school-sanctioned ceremonial purposes, in any public or private school building or bus, on any public or private school campus, grounds, recreation area, athletic field or any other property owned, used or operated by any board of education, school, college or university board of trustees, regents or directors for the administration of any public or private educational institution. It is not an offense under this subsection (c) for a nonstudent adult to possess a firearm, if the firearm is contained within a private vehicle operated by the adult and is not handled by the adult, or by any other person acting with the expressed or implied consent of the adult, while the vehicle is on school property. [/quote]   I don't know of any other law that overrides this one, but if there is, OhShoot will be along to correct me.  :)

    Yeah, look below that one. The best comment yet:   [quote]Yo dawg, I heard you like tanks so I put a tank game in your tank so you can drive a tank while you're driving your tank. [/quote]

It needs some flames painted on the side.

Assuming SCOTUS upholds the decision, IL just has to pass a law allowing carry, but make the requirements so ridiculous that nobody will do it. Right?

I don't think there is one on that side of town. CHMR is a private club with no membership requirements beyond showing up and paying $60/year. You can shoot handguns on their 15, 25, 50, and 100 yard lanes. You can place as many targets as you want on a 4x8 sheet of plywood. It's in Spring Hill. Gallatin Gun Club is a private club with limited (and currently closed) membership which hosts IDPA events regularly. Those events are open to the public. [url="http://www.gallatingun.com/calendar.asp"]http://www.gallatingun.com/calendar.asp[/url] The schedule hasn't been extended out through 2013 yet, but it will be.

Easy. It's a cardboard tube with a UPS label on it and capped with duct tape. They're used for shipping long objects.

I wonder where Shane would fit in the last chart against Rick up through season 2's ending. I give them super-extra-cool points for including [b]Chair Leg: 1 Zombie[/b] in the [i]Weapons Used[/i] section

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Remember that TCA includes loaded magazines and clips in it's definition of loaded firearms.* Guns and [b]empty[/b] mags and clips in the trunk. Ammo in the back seat. *Officer's discretion may apply, but that's how TCA defines it.

[quote name='Hershmeister' timestamp='1355018353' post='857052'] It gives you ironclad guarantee that you met the legal requirements and can assist the popo if needed. [/quote] What legal requirements are those? All that's required is that you don't have reason to believe that the buyer can't legally own it, don't suspect a straw purchase, and they're a TN resident. I wouldn't use "ironcald" to describe a BOS, or anything else printed off the Internet. If you want "ironclad" do it via FFL. Nothing short of that comes close.

Yeah, this. My take on it is just loan it to him. It all looks legal and legit to me.

[quote name='FIST' timestamp='1354930118' post='856706'] The reason your allowed to buy in a state your stationed in is becuase you are there due to military service and therefore not punished for it. [/quote] That's pretty much why I figured the lawmakers put that in the definitions. Otherwise AD would get hosed. It just seems odd that they didn't say active duty are residents of both their duty station AND their permanent home of residence.

No, you're correct about loaning. I didn't mean to confuse the issue. scoutfsu, I have no doubt that happens a lot, and why wouldn't it? If the federal law says you use your duty station, LGSs around any post/base/etc would know that and accept a military ID. Then you go home and have your HOR drivers license and permanent address, so why wouldn't the local LGS there sell to you too? Nothing would give an LGS in either location a reason not to do the sale. From reading the 921 definitions though it seems like once you're active duty your HOR state no longer matters and it's all based on the state of your duty station. I suppose it could get even more confused if you reside in a different state than your duty station which is also different that your HOR. Scott AFB for example is in Illinois but pretty close to St. Louis. You could be a TN resident stationed in IL and living in MO. Then there's Ft. Campbell which is in both TN and KY, so which one is your duty station?

If anyone looked at the bathroom here at work they'd think the second picture should be a grenade, not a shotgun. Whoever you are, stand closer. You're not as blessed as you think you are.

[quote name='scoutfsu' timestamp='1354895978' post='856454'] You are also a resident of your state HOR. [/quote] For pretty much all other purposes, I'd agree. But that's not how the definition in sec. 921 reads. It's pretty specific that for the purposes of the chapter (Chapter 44 - Firearms) active duty residence is the PDS state. It makes no mention that I saw for being a dual citizen of sorts. It makes sense. In these rare cases like Robert's, it hurts the active duty person. But without that definition, the man in MO wouldn't be able to buy a handgun at the local gun store or PX. He'd have to come home to TN to do that then carry it back. That's not so bad when it's MO and TN, but would suck if you're from Florida and stationed in Alaska or Hawaii. It reads to me like the lawmakers were trying to help service members out by making their state of residence for firearms purposes equal to their assigned base/post/station/port/camp/craphole so they didn't have to keep changing official residency after every PCS to not run afoul of these laws. Like most well intentioned laws it has unintended side effects. Any lawyers on here know different about dual-state-residency for active duty in regards to federal firearms laws?

[quote name='SonnyCrockett' timestamp='1354882493' post='856352'] We are now a global manufacture thanks to things lie NAFTA and other silly deals [/quote] Only partly. We're a global manufacturer and global economy because communication and transportation are now fast cheap and easy and economies with lower waged workers are building stable infrastructures. It has always been cheaper to build things in Mexico and China. A rural Chinese worker may build a tractor for $0.12 a day, there wasn't any electricty to power a factory, roads/rail/ports/ships to carry the finished tractor to market, and no communication lines to track progress, submit orders, etc. His low wage didn't matter. Now we have communications and transportation and infrastructure allowing manufacturing to move to locations where workers have lower wage demands (lots of various reasons for that and room for a whole board of discussions on the topic). Tariffs are simple ways for a nation to protect an industry from international competition by artificially inflating the cost of certain imported goods. NAFTA and other free trade agreements remove the tariffs making the imported goods reflect their actual cost, which is often lower than domestic production. The flip side is that our exports to member nations likewise don't get artificially inflated in their markets. Certain industries benefit from it and others suffer. Any given FTA is going to benefit some mebers more than others. I think NAFTA hurt us more than it helped, but it didn't make us into a global manuifacturing economy.

[quote name='TheBisch' timestamp='1354888043' post='856380'] Besides, what's wrong with having only 20 Mosins? [/quote] Fixed it for ya

[quote name='Hozzie' timestamp='1354886487' post='856371'] If he has a TN DL then he is a resident of TN. If he is giving it to him while he is in TN, then no issue at all I wouldn't think as long as he is stationed there for the Service. [/quote] Maybe, and maybe not. [url="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/921"]http://www.law.corne...ode/text/18/921[/url] This is the definitions section preceding the section 922 that OS linked to about loaning. it says [b](b ) For the purposes of this chapter, a member of the Armed Forces on active duty is a resident of the State in which his permanent duty station is located. [/b]

That depends on if you need a good art forger or a good iron forger.

If I ever start an alternative rock band I'm calling it "Boning Leather".

Your buddy's C&R is moot. A C&R grants special exemptions for acquiring firearms but gives none for selling them. Unless you have a C&R, it has to be done like any other intersate transfer via FFL. The only extra step is that the seller has to record the sale in his bound book.