monkeylizard

That's still not as bad as when Brown-Forman in Louisville dumped a load of tequila down the drain in 2003. A holding tank was marked as 'Empty" when it was actually full. A worker hooked up a tanker truck and started pumping tequila into the holding tank then left to take a break while waiting for the truck to be emptied. Oops.....1,800 gallons were gone before anyone noticed and shut off the pump.

  FIFY!

No laws against ammo at schools afaik.

  Did you ever try to race Crockett and Tubbs in their Scarab?

  If the aibags blow, a person with their feet on the dash might keep their legs, but may wish they hadn't. There are few worse positions to be in than this one during a collision.   I'm glad they included "Touching glass" in the list. That's my hot button, well that and when my wife gets sunscreen all over the place. That stuff is hard to clean off.

If you're worried about bears, then get bear spray. Far more effective than a handgun and the odds of survival are way better for both you an the bear.

I'd say that far too often those decent thinking LEOs are never in news reports for doing decent thinking things. Stupidity makes the news, regardless of profession. Unfortunately, that means a profession often in the news usually gets a bum rap across the whole lot.

  You can put a shallow plastic tray under the sink. then put a water alert sensor in there. Any water and you'll know about it.

Also, boys and girls, ALL of your supply lines in your home from the cutoffs to the faucets should be the braided lines, NOT the plastic ones. You do not want to receive a call that there is water all over your kitchen floor when you're on another continent....yes...that happened to me.

If you really want to know what's going on with your oil, you need to have it tested. Do a change at 5K and sample some. Do the next one at 7.5K and sample some. Then do one at 10K and sample some. Then compare the test results.   http://www.blackstone-labs.com/

  There you go using logic at a time like this. :)   Yeah, I phrased that incorrectly. I meant that many of the AKs floating around are made with parts made in ComBloc nations.   Ask a person paying $900 for a Century WASR-10 where AK's are made.

ARs are domestically produced. AKs are not. Perhaps there's greater concern that the Obama admin will try to  do some kind of importation restriction via administrative ruling or Executive Order.

I've never been shot in a vest (or otherwise) but to watch the YouTube tough guys "try it out" would make me think it's like getting punched by a gorilla. 2 of those plus a glancing one off my head would put me down quick too.

I have Sabre products. That was suggested to me by a Metro PD buddy. He said it's what they carry. It's CS+OC+UV Dye. http://www.sabrered.com/servlet/StoreFront

I trust ebay's seller rating system. If they have lots of reviews, marked as a "Top Seller" or whatever, there are recent positive reviews, then I say go for it. Odds are those are being done by a business anyway and they really need those positive reviews to keep going.   If the seller is local to you, you can contact them to see the merchandise and do the deal face-to-face outside of ebay. My dad has done a few car deals like that where the seller removed the listing and considered it "sold" to my dad with the agreement that if dad didn't buy it, he'd pay the relisting fee. So far he hasn't had to pay that since most sellers on ebay are reputable.   I've picked up several small electronics parts from sellers in China and Hong Kong without issue. It takes about an extra week for ChinaPost to get it over here, but well worth it since it's just about the only place to find some discontinued parts.

TCA defines "Serious Bodily Injury" as         (A ) A substantial risk of death;       (B ) Protracted unconsciousness;       (C ) Extreme physical pain;       (D ) Protracted or obvious disfigurement;       (E ) Protracted loss or substantial impairment of a function of a bodily member, organ or mental faculty; or       (F ) A broken bone of a child who is eight (8) years of age or less;   Some big angry dude yelling "I'm going to eff you up" to me means some likely combination of B, C, and D.   That said, I'd be doing anything I could to get away because I really really really do not want to deal with the aftermath of an SD shooting, whether it's ruled as justified or not.

Lisa Patton on News 2 just said that it went from sunny skies to that in 30 minutes. That's all it took for the super cell to develop and spawn that beast.

I thought they made them with 3D printers.

I lived in Moore as a kid. Awful stuff.

  No, you drop your investigation of an MWAG call when you have no reasonable suspicion that a crime has/is/will be committed. In Ohio, being armed openly is not a crime. Period. There is no amount of suspicion of someone being openly armed (it's right there in the open...it's not really "suspicion") to warrant any forcing of compliance because there is no reasonable suspicion of a crime, because it's not a crime.   Does the LEO have reasonable suspicion that a criminal act has, is, or will occur? It's that simple.   It's reasonable to think that an actual crime (armed robbery in this case) may be about to occur given the time and location. That would not be true at say 2:00 in the afternoon when the "suspect" is seen pushing his kid down a residential street in a stroller. Either the officer on scene suspected armed robbery based on the facts at hand or he didn't. The Chief making that up as a "morning after" idea is just bull. If the LEO on scene had said as much to Mr. Call then Ohio 2912.29 clearly says that Call has to give his name, address, and DOB. I suspect Call would have complied then but I don't know that. If he would have, great it's all over. If he wouldn't have, cuff and stuff and charge him with violating Ohio 2912.29        You keep bringing up "how do I know you're not a criminal" and don't seem to understand that in Ohio, a person OC'ing is exactly the same as a person with a green shirt. You don't look at a person with a green shirt and wonder if he's legally allowed to wear that green shirt. Ridiculous, right? Opinions aside, the law in Ohio says a green shirt and an OC gun are the exact same thing. Don't like it? Tough. That's the way the law works in Ohio. Period. End of story. Chucktshoes showed case law back on post #110 that "he might be a criminal" is not enough reason to force compliance from a person who is carrying in a legal manner in a state where such carrying is legal. To force compliance in that case has been upheld to be a violation of the person's 4th ammendment rights.   In TN, it's not the same. We don't have carry laws like Ohio's OC law. I am breaking the law in TN when I carry a gun. A LEO has reasonable suspicion to think I'm breaking the law if he/she sees my gun because I am, in fact, breaking the law in TN. Our HCP system provides a defense to the crime of carrying. That means a stop to verify ID when a gun is seen is all perfectly legal here. It is not the same in Ohio for OC.   In the end, yes...in Ohio or any other place with 'Constitutional Carry' type laws, if the LEO has no reasonable suspicion of an actual crime being committed by a person who is carrying within the provisions of the law of that state and the "suspect" chooses not to provide requested information (whether done on a nice way or by telling the officer to FOAD), I expect the LEO to be a professional, forget about it, and go on about his day. He does so because his investigation is finished. It's finished, not becaause the suspect didn't comply, but because there's no reasonable suspicion of a crime to investigate. Anything else is a violation of the 4th amendment. I have a strong suspicion that the court will agree in this case, and if not, then the appellate court probably will.

I understand that's your opinion (and I for one have not resorted to name calling). It just happens that your opinion and the law are not the same in this case.   Yes, Call had the ability to end this quickly by giving his name. What you don't seem to get is that that was not the only option here to end it quickly. The officer could have ended it quickly by stopping when Call refused to give his name, or by informing Call he had reasonable suspicion (and saying why) to have Call comply with the request for his name. Still no compliance? Stuff and cuff and let the court decide if the suspicion was "reasonable" or not. Instead, the officer chose to threaten a citizen with trumped up charges to get compliance.

I don't have a problem with the officer investigating a complaint from a citizen. He should have done that. I don't have a problem with the officer asking for his name. That's a pretty normal thing to do, but that doesn't make him entitled to an answer. Once it was evident that there is no reasonable suspicion that a crime has been, is, or is about to be commited, what was there to investigate?  In an ideal world, this whole thing should have gone something like this:    Clerk: "Officer, there's a guy with a gun in my store." Officer: "That guy over there by himself getting a Gatorade?" Clerk: "Yeah, that's him" Officer: "Did he threaten anyone" Clerk: "no...but he has a gun on his side!" Officer: "OK, sir. I'll check him out." <<walks over to Mr. Call while saying whatever it is that officers say on their radio>> Officer: "Sir, do you you have a permit for that firearm?" Call: "Sir, in Ohio I don't need a permit to openly carry a handgun." Officer: "What's your name, sir?" Call: "I don't want to give you my name and by Ohio code 2921.29  I am not required to do so unless you have reasonable suspicion that I have, am, or will commit a crime. Do you have that suspicion, and if so, what crime?" Officer: <<realizing he's being baited by a class-A douche, whose body language doesn't suggest a person who is about to knock off the Stop-N-Rob>> "No sir. Your gun made the clerk nervous. Seeing as how this is a convenience store at 4:30 am, surely you can see how that might make a clerk nervous. If you don't have a CCW permit, you may want to look into it for times and places like this. It will mean less hassle for you and we'll get less calls about stuff like this. Have a nice day." Officer to Clerk: "Sir, that gentleman is breaking no laws because openly carrying a firearm is legal in Ohio. I'll hang around here until he finishes his shopping. By the way, how fresh is that coffee?"   If the officer did indeed feel he had reasonable suspicion due to location and time of day, He should have said so to Call and said: "Sir, I do have reasonable suspicion that a person with a gun at this time of day in a convenience store may be planning to commit armed robbery. 2921.29 requires that you give me your name so I can run it. Now, what's your name, sir?"   After that, if Call's still being a giant douche, cuff him and stuff him.     What actually happened was that we had a pissing match in the parking lot between a baiting douche who stayed within the letter of the law and an officer who got all butt-hurt because there wasn't immediate acquiesence to his authora-tay. I hope Call wins the case so there are grounds for refresher training for the officers when dealing with OC in Ohio (and more case law to support his position) but that the jury awards him $1 to show their disdain for his trolling.

Maybe this is what Mayor Ray Nagin meant by rebuilding "a chocolate New Orleans".

But we had tinted windows, so they couldn't see our cameras.       No, it does not show on Google Street View. They'll take those camera cars out in the boonies, but Morgan Co. off a main highway is too much even for those guys.  :)

I don't think the department is arguing "he could have been a felon" but that's been DaveS' argument for several pages now. I don't think the gun puts him in some special protected class. I've been arguing that it absolutely does not. I've been saying the presence of the OC gun should be, by the way I've read Ohio law, irrelevant unless it in some way is a contributing factor for the LEO on scene developing reasonable suspicion. I agree about the "in the commission" part. 101, your wrong about that. LEOs need reasonable suspicion that a person has is or will commit a crime. They dont have to catch them in the act. At least that's how it is according to Ohio law.