monkeylizard

What was the final outcome?

I think that may qualify as "cruel and unsual."

Chances R is correct. One doesn't need a permit to carry in a vehicle/on a motorcycle.   In this particular case, the officer did see him walking with the handgun while away from the bike, so that's a violation of 39-17-1307, defensible with a permit. I'm not questioning the officer's stop in this case. It was 100% lawful, obstructed plates or not.   As for the helmet/underage, I disagree. Unless there's some other reason for the officer to have reasonable suspicion that the rider is under 18, that won't fly.

I tend to agree. When the prices (and margins) go back up, look for Wally to restock.

  OS beat me to it, but as of last year, it's no longer a crime to carry a fireram in a private vehicle. In/on motorcycles are considered the same. No permit needed and it's not a crime.

  Nobody really knows if the guy was a troll or just a liar trying to boost his online persona. Either way, he appears to be the definitive source of the pejoartive term "mall ninja".

I'm interested in what OS hit on back in post#37. I had never really thought about it until he pointed it out. In this case, if the officer did not have knowledge that the rider had an HCP*, under what authority did he do the disarming? No other place I know of in TN law besides 39-17-1351 gives that authority to disarm a person carrying lawfully (obviously can be done if the carrying is unlawful). Since the rider was in/on his vehicle no crime was being committed in regards to the firearm possession at the time of the stop. In this particular case, the officer observed the rider with the firearm prior to mounting the bike, so he observed a violation of 39-17-1307. That makes the rider susceptible to both stoppage and being disarmed as a felony has been committed and witnessed by the officer**. While I disagree with the snatch-n-grab method, I agree that the officer was within his lawful rights to disarm the rider.   But what if the first time the officer saw a rider with an OC handgun was when he rode his bike past the officer? Since he's on his bike, he's not in violation of 39-17-1307 and no felony is being committed and witnessed by the officer. If the officer has no knowledge that the rider has an HCP (or if in fact the rider does not have an HCP and no longer needs one on his own bike), under what authority would the officer be able to disarm the rider? I understand that the disarming is going to occur if the officer wants it to occur, but I want to know if there's an actual legal basis for doing so, or would that be a violation of the rider's rights?       *He would have if he ran the plate, but since the officer said (we don't see them in the video) the plate was partially obscured, it's reasonable to assume he didn't/couldn't run the plate, and therefor had no knowledge of the rider having an HCP.   **Remember that the HCP is only a defense to prosecution of 39-17-1307. It doesn't mean that carrying with an HCP is not a felony. It is. We just can't be prosecuted for it. Since a crime is being commited, the officer has every right to make that stop and check for an HCP.

Yes.

  Yeah, the "anyone can carry in their vehicle" makes this muddy. BUT the officer did see the gun being carried away from the bike as the guy exited the store. That's PC in my book as that's a violation of 39-17-1307. He didn't need to come up with the "obscured tags" reason. Now had he not seen the guy exiting the store and had only seen a rider carrying OC, that's not PC as no law is being broken since anyone can carry in/on a POV.

Been hearing it for a while now, but they're still well stocked in all the ones I've been in lately. Could be a store manager or regional manager decision that you're seeing, so some may stop carrying them while others still do. Or it could actually finally be a corporate decision across all stores. Wally World is an interesting organization, for sure.

Southwest has non-stop flights to San Diego from Nashville. October would be a fine month to visit. It's Cali, so no guns, but it's a great city. Go sea kayaking at La Jolla, maybe get lucky and see the S.E.A.L.s training on the beach on Coronado. If the kids like theme parks, Disneyland is just up the road.   San Francisco is always in the top 10 best cities to visit. Alcatraz, Fisherman's Wharf, Golden Gate Bridge. You can go inland for a day trip to Yosemite, and south for a day trip to Carmel by the Sea.   Yellowstone is a great choice. Reservations for hotels inside the park usually book up well in advance, so you'd better check right away and see if you can get lucky there. There are accommodations outside the park too, but Yellowstone Hotel and the Old Faithful Inn are pretty spectacular.   I hit the Rocky Mountain National Park in Colorado this summer and it was great. Estes Park should be snow free then. It's usually late October/November before they see snow, but the upper elevations in the park would likely have snow. Boulder would be snow free and has great outdoor adventure (hiking, mountain biking, etc.).

Just driving distance, or are you wanting to fly?

Ya dern fool! Get yer head back down inside that tank and close the hatch!

Shelves in most safes are plywood or particle board covered in fabric. 1/2" plywood will hold guns just fine.

It's normal for a health care provider to ask that at the beginning of the conversation. If you have a carrier they don't accept, then getting all your personal information and finding out what you need done is a waste of everyone's time, unless you happen to be able to pay 100% out of pocket which is unusual these days. I'd be more upset if they took the time to get my information, get the referring doctor's information, find out a good time for me to come in, then tell me "oh, sorry. we don't take XYZ insurance."   As for the location, you do know that some people live and work in different places, right? Depending on the time of day, an office near my work may be more convenient for me than an office near my home.

I'd like to know what gauge steel they used in the body. I don't see it on their site.

  No, no....If you shoot wildly, you'll be charged an additional $8 for every wild shot above their magic line.

Between now and a few weeks will be good. I start my leafy greens for a fall crop in mid August. If I cover them for light frost, I'll still be getting some lettuce and swiss chard into December.

I liked the class at GnL. If you're in Williamson Co., the Sheriff's dep't used to do classes too. Don't know if they still do.

  Yep! That's it. That car is so full of win, it hurts.   It's crazy though. What are the odds that a TGOer would own know this car?

  Yeah, I bet "he" does. Why don't you get us some pictures of "his" vehicle.

  I have bolded the relevant part of that statement.  :up:

  Yep. I think the flag pole installation was better engineered than the car.

It was missing several body panels, including the hood and front grill and bumper. Just an exposed radiator and engine up front.   What I love are the guy lines anchoring that flag pole. If you're going to fly a flag as big as your car at 65mph, it needs to be stable.

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