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I found a company that sells epoxy paint. I spoke to him and he said he has gotten quite a few orders as of late for his paint.   I am going to order some of the epoxy paint but I might try something other than the Bn most people are adding to the paint as lubricant. I still need to talk to a few people to get an idea if it will work. I hope it does because it is about 30x cheaper than Bn.

What would concern me about resizing jacketed bullets is this.   If you did a HP or a SP I would have zero issues with that. The bullet will work like normal but accuracy might suffer if the core was loose inside the jacket.   If you did a FMJ or something similar with the lead exposed I would be afraid the jacket would seperate from the core as the jacket sprung back some. When you fired it I would think the gases could get between the jacket and the core. That might cause the jacket to seperate and fly out the barrel while leaving the lead core in the barrel.   I have read horror stories of people making a SP out of a FMJ and having the core blow out the barrel and the jeacket be left in the bore.

People need to realize that there is a HUGE difference between loading a lead bullet and a jacketed bullet. The jacketed bullet is much harder and increases pressure substantially compared to a lead bullet.   I have shot a cast bullet that was .005" over the bore size without an issue using the same data as a jacketed bullet. If I tried the same with a jacketed jacketed that was .005" larger than the bore I would have had some serious pressure issues.   Sounds like people are thinking that cast bullets use the same rules as loading jacketed but that is not the case. Lead bullets are more maleable and softer they are more forgiving than jacketed bullets.

I was looking at powder coating but I think I will try the tumble paint method.

I think ANYONE would have, and could have, done what I did. If any normal person would have seen a person handling a weapon in a dangerous manner they would have stepped in. Always be aware of your surroundings and be prepared to step in or say something if it needs to happen.    I try to be aware of my surroundings, either at the store or at the range. Anyone who has shot with me knows I walk around a lot and don't shoot as much as many people there. I rarely get focused on shooting to a point I am unaware. And generally when I am shooting in public my wife isn't and she is watching Anyone who knows my wife knows she is not afraid to say something if it needs to be said. We are both concerned with safety but she is even more safety conscience that I could ever be.

It was at the Moose Lodge so the offender was a member. I have seen craziness at Norris as well but nothing this dangerous.

  His attitude was because he was a clueless idiot, pure and simple. And speaking of simple I am sure that adjective has been used to describe him on more than a few occassions during his lifetime.

I went to the range today with a bunch of fellow members. We were all TGO members with the exception of one guy who set up at one end while I was at the other. Because space was limited on my end my wife set up next the the guy to shoot.   A few minutes later I heard my wife call out to me so I stood up and started heading her way to see what was going on. At this point I seen the guy walking towards me messing with a pistol he had in his hand. At this point my wife pointed at him. I guess he thought I was there to help because as I was walking towards my wife he stopped right in front of me and begain to vigorously mess with his pistol. It looked to be out of battery and it looked like he was trying to get the slide to go into battery. He was pushing on the rear of the slide with his palm and had the finger of his other hand in the trigger guard actually hitting the trigger. The milisecond I realized what was going on I grabbed the gun and raised the muzzle to point skyward. If he had been able to get the slide to close then the gun would have went off.   There were several people in his line of fire but the guy was standing less than 2' directly behind OhShoot. Had the gun went off it would have hit him in the back. After grabbing his hands that were holding the gun I yelled at him to quit pointing a gun at other people. He then said he had a malfunction with his handloads. I was so upset I just walked back to where I was sitting and he followed me. He said he had a malfunction and asked if I was going to help. I told him no and I did so for several reasons. First I had no tools and I honestly don't want to mess with it, second he had just flagged no less than a 1/2 dozen people and finally he acted like it was no big deal. This is what upset me the most and made sure I would not help him in any way. And when I told him I wasn't going to help he got an attitude and said "what am I supposed to do now" and I said I don't know. He then acted like a two year old throwing a temper tantrum and said "I guess I will just pack up my stuff and go". With how he acted I expected him to start stomping his feet then throw himself to the ground as if to garner even the slightest bit of sympathy for him. At this point I just ignored him because it was starting to set in what he had just done and I was afraid I would say something to incite him or I might work myself up to a point of doing something stupid.   He had just done several things that were idiotic, retarded, stupid and just plan dangerous without an apology. And all of his actions could have easily killed someone. I rarely say someone doesn't need to own gun but this guy is the poster child. He should sell every gun he owns and take up knitting because no matter how screwed up he does that it will not possibly kill someone.   My wife later told me that all this started when she noticed the guy was making a lot of fertive movements that caused her to look over at him. When she looked at him he told her he had a malfunction and flagged her as he was trying to clear it. She got loud with him and told him to keep it pointed down range.  Most of the TGO members who were there had no clue because they were focusing on shooting and doing things safe but not this idiot.   After he walked away I crouched in the corner about to throw up because of what had just happened. The adrenaline came on strong and I became nauseated. After a few minutes I was fine but it was always in the back of my mind after that. At this point OhShoot walked over and I told him he almost got shot in the back because had the gun went into battery he would have, without a doubt, shot OhShoot in the back. This idiot made what should have been an enjoyable day for me a day of worry until I left a little while later.   This came close enough to being a disaster that I can assure you I will NEVER shoot with anyone I do not know. I will leave any range anytime anyone I don't know comes in. Life is too short to have some idiot make it even shorter. Even as I write this I am getting pissed because he could have taken my wife from me as well as some of my friends.    We are getting into the shooting season guys. Please, I beg you, do whatever you can to be safe.

I am thinking of making them hot pink. That way no one will want to shoot my ammo at the range. Or maybe use red for supersonic and green for subsonic.   Or I wonder if I used glow in the dark paint and attached a flashlight at the end of the barrel I could make some "tracers". I have already tried the glow dots and trust me when I say they suck.

Painting bullets.   I am going to use the paint as a suspension for Bn, or some other metal, that will be the bullet lube. There have been others that have been doing this for years and I need to find a way to isolate the lead smoke from me as I shoot it.   I have been looking at different ways to coat the bullets. Initially I was going to use powder coating but it is too labor intensive to be convenient. I think tumble lubing using two part paint is the easiest wat to go.

Cast bullets are different than jacketed. I shoot .357"-.358" cast bullets in .355" bores. Would I shoot .357" jacketed bullets in a .355" bore, not a chance.

I am needing some advice on what type of paint to use. Basically I am needing a two part paint that can be thinned. It also must be somewhat flexible with good adhesion. It can be a flat or a gloss or anything in between.

But the bore may be different at the cut off point. Odds are you are right but the only way to tell is to chop it and measure.

Here are the dimensions for threading for a choke tube.

It depends on the thickness of the abrrel which choke can be installed. Later I will write up the diminsions for each choke.   Everybody wants a remchoke but it won't work on every barrel.

It is possible to get the right combination for a gun to eject a spent casing and have a bullet in the bore. I have done it with blowback guns. There is a member here who ruined his 300BO barrel when it ejected an empty casing with a squib round then followed it up with a full power round.   Reloading is safe and worth while as long as you stay inside the box of published data. And when you go outside of that box it requires a lot of experience. Not to toot my own horn but I have done a lot of stuff that was well outside that box. Some of it was safe and some of it I probably had some luck to keep me from getting hurt. And for me I would never try this in order to save a few bucks.   Is it possible to safely shoot .357 bullets out of a 9mm Glock? Probably, but the problem is you won't know where safe is until AFTER that first round and unfortunately that first round might ruin the gun, ruin your hand or ruin your eyesight. And none of those is worth saving a few bucks. Even if the kaboom didn't injure you and Glock decided to fix the gun for free you would still be out more in gas and time to ship it than the money you saved.

Cast bullets are a totally different animal than jacketed. A cast bulet needs to be .001"-.002" to properly seal to the bore. Cast lead bullets deform easily and keep pressures low but jacketed bullets do not give as easily so pressures are going to be much higher with a jacketed bullet.

It makes a difference with fast pistol powders. Then add a Glock with an unsupported chamber and you are asking for some problems.   I push the odds pretty regularly with my wildcating and just testing. I would not try it with jacketed bullets.   Another issue is those .002" might not let the case mouth open enough to release the bullet. The pressure will go the path of least resistence, out the primer hole or at the case head. And even if it does release the bullet it will increase the pressures substantially then the bullet encounters more pressures from the oversized bullet.   What is a safe powder charge? How low is safe enough? No way to know because there is absolutely no load data for shooting .357" bullets in a .355" bore.   Seriously, 9mm bullets are CHEAP. Sell the 357 bullets and buy the correct bullets.   You are flirting with disaster.

  And what kind of animal would you hunt with your Chinese ammo here in Tennessee? Black panthers

I have had 9mm bullets get stuck in a 357 bore. My guess is the seal wasn't good enough then the gases snuck past the bullet and the pressures dropped before the bullet made it out the bore. Shoot the correct bullet for the caliber. Best case scenario is accuracy sucks, worst case you stick a bullet and blow a gun up. There is not win/win only a loose/loose.   Shooting 357 sized bullets in a 9mm is recommended if you are shooting cast lead bullets. But if you are shooting jacketed pressures can get way out of hand. It might work but I have never ahd the balls to try.

I could have easily been a Remington guy. When I went to buy my first bolt gun I called a friend who worked at a gun shop. I asked which is the most accurate out of the box gun, Remington or Savage. They said that Savage seems to shoot better so I bought a Savage.   I currently have 4 Savages. A 45 ACP, a 223, a left hand that will be for my son and my Striker. All of them, except the 45, are in a perpetual state of caliber swaps. I am going to settle into a 300 Blackout and a 223 for the lion's share of shooting duties.

  It is cheaper to fully customize a Savage.   Tthe stocks are going to cost the same and even AI stocks are now available for Savages. That used to be the answer that Remington guys used to use as to why Remingtons were better but not anymore. Anyone who is making a stock for s Remington is also making a stock for a Savage, including AI.   Triggers are going to be similar in cost . Whether you keep the Accutrigger, which is better than any factory Remington trigger, or you upgrade the costs are similar with a Savage. The best drop in trigger for a Savage is the Sharp Shooter Supply Competition trigger which runs $110 from Brownells. It is a completely different design than the Timney trigger or Rfile Basix or factory trigger. The SSS Competition trigger is a three lever design that results in a very nice trigger that is both reliable and consistent. It is also comparable to any "match" trigger available for any Remington.   The rings and bases are going to cost the same. And any maker who is making rings and bases for a Remington is also making them for a Savage.   So where is the cost saving with a Savage?   Bolt handles are easily replaceable and CHEAP for the Savage. A tactical bolt handle, complete and ready to go on the bolt, costs under $40 for a Savage. Most places charge $100+ to put a different bolt handle on a Remington bolt. I have seen several Remington replacement bolt handles fall off because the weld or sodler wasn't good enough. It is impossible for a Savage bolt handle to fall off.   Depending on the model there are also large capacity magazines available that work with the factory Savage. No need for special bottom metal. And bottom metal is available for Savage to use AI and other brands of magazines.   The fitting of barrels is cheaper with a Savage. The last barrel I had done by a smith, which was last month, cost me $160. That was taken from a barrel blank to ready to go into a Savage action. And because I do not need a smith to install the barrel that saves money. Every Remington I have seen the barrel replaced on costs $300 when starting with a blank.   If you want to take a gun from 223 to 308 with a Savage it is a $25 bolt head and a $150 barrel. With a Remington you cannot swap bolt heads and requires you to buy a complete bolt that costs $150+. Then the Remington bolt must be fitted tot he action. Savage requires no fitting of the bolt. So a Savage can have a different caliber for $175 and to do the same with a Remington would cost $450+.   The biggest reason I think Savage is better than Remington is because Remington has acknowledged it by building guns (783) with barrel nuts and swappable bolt heads which is identical to how Savage has been doing it for decades. They have also added their version of an Accutrigger.

Out of the box a Savage is going to be as accurate, maybe a little more depending on the individual rifle, than most Remingtons with factory ammo. If you reload you can easily get them to shoot better than a factory Remington. Savage has a strong reputation for accuracy and there is a reason for it. I have had factory Savage barrels that would shoot sub .4" groups at 100 yards using handloads. Handloading is the key to squeezing the most out of a Savage but even with factory ammunition it will definitely fit the needs of any hunter out there.   Remingtons are good if you don't plan on swapping calibers or barrels but with Savages you can do that as well. If you do swap barrels on a Remington it will cost a lot of gunsmith time to do it. Remington take off barrels rarely headspace correctly and to fix that is lathe time and that costs money.   WIth a Savage you can buy a spare bolt head in another caliber for ~$25. And you can swap the barrel at home in no time. Factory barrels can be had for $125-$200 depending on profile and length. So for ~$150 you can have everything to swap to another caliber with a Savage. With most other rifles you are talking about $300+ to do the same and that is if yours stay within the same rim diameter. If you want to change rim diameters add another $150 if you can get one at all with Remington. Setting headspace on a Savage does not require the use of headspace gauges. It can be done easily without any special tools.   I take my Savage to a gunsmith the first time I loosen the barrel nut because they are on the TIGHT. They generally charge next to nothing to break the barrel nut loose. After that everything else can be done at home with hand tools. The barrel nut doesn't need to be tightened by some gorilla on steroids either. All it needs is to be snug. I set my headspace, tighten the barrel nut to lock it in place. Then I used to use a hammer and punch to turn the nut to lock it in place. I normally give it one whack and call it good. I have yet to have a barrel come loose. I recently picked up a dedicated wrench and it makes life a little easier with certain barrel nuts.   Aftermarket support for Savage is as good as any other maker now. You can buy quality aftermarket stocks, aftermarket triggers, mounts and even drop in match quality barrels for Savage. The cost for a drop in match barrel for a Savage is less than having a barrel fitted to other brands in most cases.   In the end if changing calibers is not in your future any rifle will work, including a Savage.   Personally I would look on the used gun market for a Savage with a round back receiver. These are newer actions and they tend to be more square from what I have been told by several big name builders. You can generally find a used Savage for around $250-$300. If you are lucky you can find on in the caliber you want. And if you decide you want to upgrade the barrel there are drop in match barrels avalable for under $300. Shilen, McGowen, PacNor, ER Shaw as well as a few others I cannot remember all make drop in barrels for a Savage.   There is no reason not to own a Savage. Savage. Is a privately owned company with guns made here in the US. Remington, on the other hand, is not a privately owned company. It is owned by Freedom Group which is in turn owned by Cerebus and they are involved in more than just firearms. They also had some of their US companies start selling Chinese guns.   The only downside to owning a Savage, if there is one, is the Remington guys tend to give Savage owners grief.

I have been using Wolf and Tula for years and can never recall having a dud. I generally don't use them in pistols though.

I honestly cannot remember how many I have exactly. Somewhere less than 10 I am sure. None of mine are as nice as yours though. I always drooled over the Trailside pistols. With 22 long rifle being so hard to find I have slowed down significantly. I used to shoot at least a brink a week, sometimes two, but I haven't shot 250 rounds in 3 months. My interests have recently changed to center fire, as in rifle caliber, pistols. Found a Savage Striker and it will be chambered in 223, 300BO, mystery caliber and probably 308 Winchester. Might even chamber it in a few pistol calibers just to be different.