Desert Rat

I spend 90% of my waking time around the farm so I tend to carry 5 rounds of .410 in a Judge with 5 spare and a P556 with 2 extra mags in my sling bag. That gives a total of 100 rounds if I want to stop at my range and do some target practice while walking around. My name is not KWIK and I do not carry this in state parks.

Also... sometimes... just for their own personal amusement, and to watch those other people get all twitchy and froth at the mouth... You caught me!

I also have the Lone Wolf for a G22. No problems with it.

I believe in God and I believe in creation. God was created by man to justify man's existence. All things that can not at this time be explained can easily be explained by claiming it is part of God's plan even if it is only ramdon selection or evolving to adapt to the current environmental conditions throughout time.

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An 18.5 barrel is available on line for little money as well as synthetic fore grips and stocks. That will allow you to save the wood furniture and have a more versatile weapon. You might be able to do a WTB for synthetic furniture. If you were closer I would offer you some.

I think it is probably the key. I remember hearing about the chip in the key thing. If that is the case just jiggling the key will be your solution. You do not really have a great deal of weight but some ignition switches are finiky. If you are not changing anything between tries then it comes back to the ignition switch.

Ignition switch if it makes no noise. Just jiggle the switch. How much do you carry on your key ring? I had this problem with work trucks until they sent a memo to keep the minimum number of items on the ring with the ignition key. I actully had all my company keys on a keyback. If the lights dim then it is another electrical problem such as starter. I had a Dodge that went through a starter a year. Way back when! If you want to stop by I will take a quick look.

I would only be concerned if someone on the other end talked back over the magazine. I had to change the ring on my phone so I would stop answering every time someone else's rang.

ROF! Retired Old FA#T I gave all that up to come here and watch the trees grow! I ignore the grass because it grows to fast and makes me tired just watching the activity!

I am watching my trees grow as well as my cats tumbling about. Occasionally I look out to see the ducks swimming in the pond. For real excitement we count the cars driving down the road. Or even time the interval between vehicles. Minutes or hours! On a busy day we might get 4 or 5 an hour. No TV to watch!

I guess the Navy is just not aware of that well known problem! Maybe it is due to lack of experience by the Navy rifle team! You asked for that one!

I guess you are right! An internet bully who took offense at a wise a## who claimed that anything but a standard hunting configuration when using a shot gun for home defense is just "MOVIE GARBAGE". When my entire claim was that each individual should try different configurations and get enough practice to be effective with their preferred method. Other wise they should stick to a double barrel or no shot gun at all as they become a hazard to them selves and those around them. But then I do not need to carry 20 handguns when walking down the road just to feel safe like some on here seem to need. "Cough Cough" I was taught how to use a shot gun for home defense in the early 70s by the Metro SWAT members and the local FBI SWAT members when they came to the range to practice tactics and I was allowed to practice along with them on "ALL" the weapons they carried. I can also understand how 35 to 40 years would seem like eternity to a young person who if they were lucky has held and used a weapon for 10 to 15 years!

That is a pretty rifle!

Just buy your pants 3 sizes to large and wear suspenders or wear oversized bibs. That way you can carry any sized weapon you want if you have the pocket made larger. With this you buy custom grips to fit your hand size!

I prefer the longer barrels but the 3 inch fit nicely in my pocket. Compared to an LCP or P238 they only have a bit larger footprint. You are able to throw a bigger rock than .380. I agree the 4 inch are definitely better and the 5 inch better than that for shooting but a tad bit obvious without a proper shoulder holster. I know someone will admit they are able to conceal a full sized 1911. It just does not fit my clothing style. Maybe I will try this fall and winter with a loose jacket.

I agree with Erik but will add that if the money is available you might consider the Kimber line. I like the Crimson Ultra carry II and fell in love with the RCP. The ones with 4 inch barrels are not bad either. If Erik is comfortable carrying one it would probably fit you as I really think he is smaller than you describe your self.

This just becomes entertainment for an Old F### who really does not give a rats A##! So YEAH Get off My Lawn and stay Off!

I am glad that you appear to understand your limitations. Although you might just put your self and family members in a hazardous situation by your actions that is your decision. The vote shows which is the preferred weapon of those that voted as it is most comfortable for most people. The majority of the people who own a home defense shotgun do not practice nor have they been taught different methods to use the weapon so they can find what works best for them as not all methods work for everyone. I have stated what works best for me and you claim it is just movie garbage. Come back and talk about it when you grow some experience in real life youngster!

I spent 37 years watching movies like that and taking defensive driving courses EO year. The cost of the classes was offset by a reduction in insurance premiums for my employer as they had a large fleet of company vehicles. I see no problem with defensive driving class being a requirement for license renewal because driving is a "Privilege" not a right.

I think that is why they have developed different styles of weapons and ammo. Do YOU use a slug or 00 buck for bird hunting? If a person only has one shot gun it should have a 24 to 28 inch barrel held at the shoulder and pointed using the bead sight, or do you recommend iron sites for bird hunting? To show my age I will admit that I learned that you aim a rifle or pistol but you point a shotgun. As I have already said I prefer a PGO for close quarters use such as home defense. I prefer a light and laser for more accurate shot placement and having those on the weapon to free my hands to control the weapon rather than a light source. With a pressure switch I have easier control of the light for momentary illumination so as not to become a fixed target. We are talking home defense strategies and not hunting or GI Joe game strategies. My bird gun is semi auto and has a 28 inch barrel.

I already said that I learned to shoot properly that way. It is not for everybody and most people attempting it never learn how to shoot properly. Yes I shot a Tommy Gun and other select fire weapons at that time. Maximum control of the weapon is my main concern. That is how I practice for home defense. 15 yards is a LONG shot when shooting in a residence and an attacker can disarm you before you can get the weapon to your shoulder. I also advised you that the method I use is only for HD. You do seem to be not understanding what I have said. As far as reliability of weapons the claim was made that the more parts in a gun the more possibilities of failure. There are those who claim civilians are not qualified to shoot pump and should rely on either dbl barrel or auto loaders because most people do not practice enough with their weapons to use them in a stress situation. I already said that people need to find what is most comfortable for them and practice that method. The poll shows that 40 some people have found what they feel is most comfortable for them in grip configuration. You appear to know your limitations which is commendable!

It was not meant to be a personal attack. If you look at the poll results only two people at this time feel comfortable using a pistol grip in a home defense situation. How a person uses a shotgun best is a personal decision and how they are able to best control the weapon in a stressed situation. On and off I have been practicing the technique I use for 40+ years and also realize it is not for everybody as not every body wants to do the required practice. You made the comment that shooting from the hip is Movie garbage! In the 70s when I was range master at a gun club I met people who could shoot single action pistols fast draw style and hit 6 out of 6 separate targets shooting from the hip. I was not coordinated enough to do that but I was able to pick up their technique for using a shot gun. I am glad all the so called experts have made their claims but actually I am not familiar with any of their writing as I was not into reading a book to find the "Proper" Technique. I am not into combat shotgun shooting. I have a shotgun for HD and another in case I need to hunt with one. I shot trap, ducks, and birds in the 70s so might know about using a shot gun for birds. As far as failure! Anything can and does fail at some time. Even the gun itself or the ammo. I read somewhere that a pump action shotgun is not a good choice for home defense because of the possibility of the action to fail. That so-called expert claimed a double barrel in 20 gauge using #4 was all that is needed for home defense. The claim was that anything more was an accident waiting to happen. I did not agree with him either. I agree that the Experts know their own limitations and should follow their own advise.

I bought the Quad rail but after reading about them at the KT users site decided to use it as part of a trade in with a spare never used Sub 2000 in 40. What I read is they tend to come loose and the fingers get bent easily and it is not meant to be done by the casual user especially when the instructions tell you how many Millimeters to space the support rings. I bought a couple of other items but decided they were not worth the money spent. From personal experience I am not a KT fan but do think the basic Sub 2000 is fun to shoot and a great truck gun. They make nice carbine companions to G17s and G22s.

The 2000 is fun to shoot and you can fit it into a briefcase or large laptop bag. Buy some 33 round Glock mags for even more fun. ENJOY! Unless you want a very small foregrip keep the standard and I found most of Kel-Tec's aftermarket upgrades to not be worth the hassle other than the stock extension. I do like the Kel-Tec bag for it and it holds 2 additional mags