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Great! Glad you are enjoying them. Yea, I know what you mean about that safety. No "click" at all really. I won't ever carry it, so for me it isn't really a big deal. But yea, it's definitely one of those "I wish this was different" type of things.

Nice!!! Have you shot the Witness yet? How do you like it? I really wanna get one in 9, and then maybe 38 super.

Man, sorry to hear that! I'm an admitted M&P fanboy and have 5 so far, to include a 5" Pro and have had 100% function with all of them and great accuracy across the board. Crazy enough, I think my favorite one has become my 40 compact when using fullsize mags with the adapters. I dunno why, but the thing just feels incredible in that setup. I have had a few other pistols (Sigma and PC629) with issues that Smith cleared up lickety-split and at zero cost to me. I got the 629 second hand (most like 7th or 8th, but whatever. Regardless, I hope it gets taken care of for you quickly, and that you get to enjoy the pistol as it should be.

Sad that neither of you guys have any friends! :-D

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/10mm_Auto Meh... 400 corbon looks more like .40 S&W performance in a 45 case. I don't really get it. 10MM easily gets jnto the 700ft-lbs of energy range, while the 400 corbon wiki shows that caliber to be in the mid-500ft-lbs range. Am I missing something? That's right around regular 45 and 40 power. 10MM for the win!! :-) I expect a range report soon!

Giggity! Excellent choice!

I literally LOL'd!

The stretched .40 (10mm) is a pretty common anti-bear cartridge in Alaska. When loaded to full potential it has quite a lot of snort. It's not a 44 mag, but it can get around 700lb-ft of energy and depending on its application device it can do that 15 or so times in a row. I'm glad it worked out well for him. I have often had a 40 with me in the smokies. If I were in that situation I don't know if I'd have the restraint to stop at 4 rounds, lol! Again, placement and penetration are what it's all about, imho.

Zing!

Golf balls, bowling pins. Only use more powerful stuff on the bowling pins. 357s are good, but a light 38 will bounce back and hit your shin. No 22s.

Yep, I'm a 10MM fan. If RIA builds a nice 5.5-6" 10 for around $7-800, I may just skip a standard 45 for my first 1911 and got straight for the 10. Until more details come out, my plan was to go Smith E series for 1911 #1, then save up forever and go DW 10MM 1911. RIA could change that. I liked what they had at NRAAM.

I have multiple examples from all the brands mentioned. My first nicer knife was a SOG Tanto Aegis, and I loved it at first. It has gotten loose over time, as well as the fact that I have snapped off the tip of the blade since. (My fault, as much as the knife's.) I called SOG and they will replace the blade for $25. Not bad, but I haven't bothered to send it in. I've had Kershaws from $10-65 and have liked most of them very much. The cheapies are... cheap. Pretty much all the USA made knives have been satisfactory, and generally feel better in the hand than the SOG, imho. Now the Protechs. Yes, spendy. And yes, AWESOME. Better steel, tighter fit, excellent ergonomics for the 3 styles I've had so far. I will definitely be purchasing more in the future. I feel the Kershaw USA knives are a great value and not necessarily lacking in any way. I will probably get more in the future. The SOGs, however... I just don't know if I'll buy any more of their folders. I like some of their fixed blade stuff and may get more of those eventually. One brand I handled, but haven't purchased yet is CRKT. I handled some of theirs at NRAAM and really like their blade serrations, but two of the models I checked out had a liner lock that was almost impossible to manipulate. That was kind of a downer. I guess I should clarify, I go back and forth between auto and assisted open blades, but will probably be all auto, all the time eventually.

Daniel from Guns and Leather answered in another post that they are selling them for $489 :-) http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/87311-my-new-glock-43/page-2#entry1261278

Great way of explaining that! I've reached the same point as you. Just cranking out plinking ammo is a chore, but I do enjoy load development. With the ridiculously cheap ammo I've stocked up on the last few months, my press is collecting dust. Also, it's garden season so my free time is spent outside playing in the dirt. When winter rolls around I'll most likely be back in the garage making buckets of range fodder.

Discussed ad nauseum here:http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/86497-ammo-deal/page-8#entry1259259 Best of luck!

I understand the cost concern. However, I don't know of any acceptable indoor range in or near Rutherford county that costs less... or even exists. :-( I visit OKC a few times a year, but living in Smyrna that's roughly 45 minutes each way. I have to plan my whole day around that on event, so I make it count and bring lots of toys, spending time in the shotgun pit, pistol bays, and rifle lanes to get the most out of my trip. Hobson Pike is where I go to fiddle with my rifles for $5.50. I know many folks don't like the place, but I don't mind it. I think the annual membership at OT is $275 right now. If someone goes once a month, I think that's the break-even point. What's great is that you are also given a number (I don't remember how many... like 4 or 6) guest passes where you can bring a friend at no additional charge. I've done this a couple times already. It's great for removing the cost factor as a hurdle to getting a person to try shooting a gun for the first time. Also, everyone in your household shoots free. The membership at OT allows me to shoot all year, regardless of the weather. Now that I'm back in the hobby full-bore, I'll most likely renew my membership this fall, even though I will not be getting a discounted rate. Just food for thought :-) And I just packed my range bag for tomorrow. I'll be there around 5ish, the fatty with the tan S&W backpack. I'll have the 10MM and a 44mag with me if anyone wants to shoot. Heck, here's an open invite: if anyone else wants to shoot, I'll let the first person to claim it by posting in this thread use one of my remaining guest passes.

As much as I am not a Glock fan (not a hater, just not a fan) I am super happy that it seems to be a good pistol. Though it's a bit bigger than my Shield, it's nice to see more subcompacts that seem to have full-size shootability. Groupings like you posted, and like I get with my Shield used to be just about unheard of with these near-pocket guns. Enjoy!

Yea, I generally like shooting outside, especially adding in the fact that I can blow stuff up with shotguns or shoot rifles at 100yds+. Then there are the days where it's pouring rain or either freezing or over 100 degrees... then I suddenly love the idea of an indoor range! ;-) I'm glad to hear many folks have experienced the same turnaround in service and customer care that I have at OT, and even more glad to see that some other folks may give them another chance. I think I may go shooting there after work tomorrow. Maybe I'll see another TGOer there! :-D

This exactly. With Perfecta at $7/box right now there is simply no point in reloading 9 today, assuming you can find the ammo in stock. As prices rise from that point, it is simply an equation of how you value your time and what you are trying to achieve by reloading.

With Perfecta brass 9mm on sale at WalMart for $6.94/box of 50 rds, imho it's not worth fooling to reload. If you're buying components at today's prices you're spending 7-10 cents ea for plated bullets, 2-4 cents per primer, and another 2-4 cents per powder charge. That's roughly 11-18 cents per round, assuming free brass and reloading equipment, not to mention your time. After tax and ammo fee the Perfecta is just under 16 cents per round. Of course, that seems to only be happening in mid-tn, and I doubt it will last indefinitely. In general 9mm is still at minimum $11/box everywhere else. It's up to you whether a nickel or so a round is worth your time. If you're working to develop a specific load, then the savings argument is out the window as that is no longer the goal. I am a reloader. I have loaded 9 and I probably will in the future, but the last 500 or so rounds I've shot have been Perfecta, and it'll stay that way until the supply dries up. Caveat: some dude who's been reloading for 30 years will probably come in for a minute and tell you he's loading 9 for $2/box because he has a truckload of lead he casts, and is sitting on a closet full of powder his grandpa bought for $.94/lb and primers for $1.99/k after WWII. That's great for that guy, but unrealistic to expect anyone else to duplicate and not part of your initial question. Going to a commercially available lead bullet will probably save you 2-4 cents per round. A fine choice for outdoor shooting, but depending on the load that can get a little smoky indoors.

Hey guys. This feels a bit awkward for me to write, but I just have to give props to the guys at On Target. First, the background info. I used to be a member at On Target 7-8 years ago and felt like I was taken care of as a range member, but not much else. When money got tight, I didn't renew my membership and due to a lot of other circumstances I pretty much quit the gun hobby for a few years. About 3.5 years ago I slowly started shooting/buying again. There were a few familiar faces at On Target, one of them a good friend who continued to be awesome, but everyone else was new. Um... dunno how to say this but I was very unimpressed and almost felt unwelcome. I still stopped in every few months anyway and soon even my one last hold-out good guy left/quit/gotfired/idunnoineverfoundout/healwayssaidhewantedtomovetoalaska/guessmaybehedid was no longer there. At that point I kind of gave up on the shop. Fast forward again to last August. For a short time I worked at Nissan and took advantage of a screamin' deal on an annual membership that was offered to Nissan employees which I heard about through a co-worker. I figured I would just use the range and nothing else... just a cheap place to shoot while protected from the elements. This was great at first, but a lot of things had changed since I had shot there before. I used to be able to shoot whatever kind of rifle or shotgun I wanted without a second thought or extra cost penalty. When I first brought an AR for wifey to shoot, the told me I could not shoot my steel cased bi-metal stuff. Ixnay on the ootingshay for that day as that was all I brought. :/ Next time I brought brass 223 so she could shoot that, and they had just started another new rule that you had to buy THEIR rifle ammo to shoot. (Note: only affects rifles, not handguns) :-( Due to me being a terrible cheapskate, I now simply view OT as a pistol only range. The rifle lanes are currently down due to needing repair anyway, but I understand they should be back up soon. Doesn't sound like a glowing review so far, does it? As of six months ago, I was still pretty sour on the place, but I did have that membership to take advantage of. I don't know exactly when it happened, but in my time away the staff changed completely, and I believe my previous history with OT and my idea of what it WAS conflicted with how the places operates now (much better, imho) caused me to take a dim view of what were some necessary changes there. In the months I have been going I have gotten to know some of the guys, and have received some great help. Also, one of my really good friends started working there recently. When he started I told him how frustrated I was with OT when I started going back, and how I disliked some of the changes. Honestly, because of my respect for him I started to give the shop another chance at earning my favor... not just being a place to shoot, but a place to shop, bring friends, and get help with my various projects. I wanted to share this with my other Mid TN folks who maybe have felt a little turned off by OT in the past. I really do believe the place is a much friendlier and helpful store than it was a few years ago. It took me some time to come around, and of course the fact that my friend works there to really give them another chance. No, I have not gotten a single discount on anything because I am friends with anyone there, and this post is completely unsolicited. I just wanted to share my experience. What really made me do this was the help I got yesterday. I'm not going to get too detailed but suffice it to say two guys there went WAY above and beyond yesterday helping me with some items I didn't even purchase there. (NRAAM show deal.) The guy that really stepped up huge doesn't even know me. He just knew how to help, so he did. I'm seriously grateful. I just feel I had to share this. I'm just asking that if there are any of you guys out there that have felt like I did in the past about OT... if you swore them off a few years ago... please just give them another shot (pun intended) to help you again. I know that in the past I had spoken of some of my dissatisfaction with OT, so I feel it's only fair that I also share how I feel now. No, they're not going to win on price very often at first glance, but at least give them a look. I haven't bought any guns recently, but when I wanted some Magpul parts for my 500, they were within $2 of any other supplier, and I got to check the stuff out before buying. Thanks everyone for your time. If you're in the area and haven't stopped by OT in awhile, go say "Hi" to Josh, Kevin, or Tyler. They've won me back, and I hope they can help you, too.

Wow. I almost can't believe that.

That's kind of a bummer. Not that I'm a huge Para fan, but I like the 6" LS Hunter 10MM for the money. I'm definitely NOT a Remington fan. The only one I had I hated, and I don't like the whole mess around the 700 trigger. Anywho, is it just me or is the "new" R51 still just simply the crappiest oversized 9mm pocket pistol ever? Feels like a slim version of a Ruger SR series in the hand, scratchy, gritty slide (both of the ones I picked up) and the thing is huge for a lo-cap 9mm. Terribly uncomfortable to hold and manipulate. I don't get it... how many years has the Shield been out? Glock finally releases their single stack 9 and it's bigger with less capacity than the Shield (and I SERIOUSLY doubt it can improve much - if any - on the shooting ease and comfort of the Shield) and then there is that terrible R51. It makes no sense! These people are going backwards. At least Ruger kinda' refined the KelTec idea when they made the LCP and LC9. Unfortunately in that case there's so much polishing to be done in that regard I STILL don't really like the Ruger version. :/ The R51 and G43 are like if Porsche answered the new Ferrari 488 with a sleek new... minivan.

Maybe all the normal gougers that buy for resale are at the NRA convention this weekend, leaving the regular trickle of inventory for sale to us?

TG is one of my favorite pistol powders for two reasons: 1) You can find data somewhere for just about any bullet in any handgun caliber. 2) Low charges weights mean that 8lb jug will net you somewhere between 8,000-15,000 rds. The downside is that it is very fast, so you generally won't be getting max speeds, especially with heavier bullets. Use caution, start with lighter loads and work up slowly, especially just starting out. Watch your charge weights and check for consistency. Titegroup usually meters very well, but just keep an eye on things. Also, know that most loads with TG will usually only fill 20-30% of the case. Be careful of a double charge, as you won't see powder spilling out if it happens.