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Cool! Did you call the Reloader's Bench in Mt Juliet? They usually keep the Lee Turret press in stock. That's where I got all my stuff.

I think he's also looking for a fullsize, a Buckmark is the one he mentioned. Taurus also makes a copy of the Beretta Bobcat which may be a little cheaper. I have no idea as to reliability, etc. While not a pocket gun, check this thing out!! It's absolutely nutty, but if it works it's gotta be fun! http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/Guns-Handguns-Semi-Automatic-22-Long-Rifle-Calico-Weapon-Systems-M-110-22-Semi-Automatic-Pistol-22-LR-6-inches-Barrel-100-Rounds_QQ65399_QQ2947

Rabbi, that was AWESOME!!!! I rarely laugh out loud at the computer, but I just did!

That is a beautiful gun! No billboard, just good fun! Thanks for the pic!

Show us a pic of that Ruger!

I got, in this order, Frompson Mikabee Momney I've been trying to decide between the first two for awhile. No way in heck it'll be the third.

I wonder if that statement was more for the lawyers than anything else. What would it look like if she said "Man, that was a rush wasting that bad guy! I'm so glad he broke in... I've been wanting to kill somebody for a long time!" THAT would look pretty bad! I agree with the underlying idea of your post. I just think that a lot of times people say things like this to keep the pressure off of themselves after a homicide.

Good point, bkelm. I guess we gotta remember that not everyone is as familiar with guns as we are, even if they should be! Thankfully this story had a happy ending anyway.

Not only is that stupid, and it totally sucks, but they are holding back $75,000 for 3 months from CDNN!!!! I know CDNN surely does a lot of business and probably has some substantial financial reserves, but holding back $75k for 3 months has to have some kind of impact on their financial management. I hope all goes well for them and that they end up with a better contract with a better company in the end. Though I have never had the chance to purchase from them, I appreciate their online catalogs as a good place to dream about spending money I don't have.

I reckon they make him about as happy as some french fried taters.... mmmmm hhhmmmm.

But Mars... I'm still here!

That makes sense from a selling standpoint, but Frank, what good are all the sales in the world if you lose your soul to the Gaston? Eh... whatever. Guns are fun! Enjoy your Glock... even though it will most definitely be the end of you when it KBs, like EVERY other Glock ever made has!

I'd show for a Friday or Saturday night and shoot if someone would let me borrow their gear! All I've got now are revolvers.

You better find a new extractor, Disney! I'm going to need to run at least 50 rounds through your gun while we're at the range! =) Seriously, though, sorry to hear about that and I hope everything is fixed for you soon.

Good info there. Well now that my world is on it's side, I'll have to mentally wrestle with this for awhile. I honestly always heard and thought the reverse was true. Thanks for that!

For the heck of it, here is some data using your .45acp 230gr example: 230 GR. LRN 230 Titegroup .452" 1.200" 4.0 751 12,500 CUP 230 GR. HDY FMJ FP 230 Titegroup .451" 1.200" 4.4 744 15,000 CUP Again, more velocity with les powder and significantly less pressure.

Are seal and pressure the same thing? I fully agree and understand that lead seals better than copper jacketed bullets. That is a function of the hardness and malleability of the metal. What I don't agree on is that lead bullets create more PRESSURE. From Hodgdgon's site, these are their max loads: 158 GR. CAST LSWC 158 Universal .358" 1.610" 6.2 1247 33,400 CUP 158 GR. HDY XTP 158 Universal .357" 1.580" 6.3 1133 39,300 CUP This data shows that with .1gr less powder, using bullets of the same weight, but different material, that the LEAD bullet will be going 113fps FASTER with .1gr LESS powder than it's jacketed counterpart. I hesitate to even mention that this occurs at 5,900 fewer CUP than the jacketed load generates because the jacketed load DOES use one more tenth of a grain of powder. Notice also that this is using a .358 diameter lead bullet, versus the .357 jeacketed bullet. As loads get towards max, pressures seem to increase dramatically, so that may be more of a function of powder weight, since that is one of the two variables in this equation. Even still, it doesn't seem to me that they backed off .1 gr for the lead load because they were worried about pressure. Please help me understand what you are saying. I would like to know if I've been wrong and the reasons why. Can you find me some data to show me what you talking about? Granted, a lot of the data for lead bullets shows not only a reduced powder charge, but also much reduced pressure and velocities. This is usually understood as being a function of lead bullets' weaknesses at high velocities. (leading, breaking apart ineffectively on impact, etc) Those loads are DESIGNED to run at those speeds, even if we aren't even halfway up the max pressure scale for a given load.

I may be wrong here, but I was under the assumption that jacketed loads built MORE pressure, as copper is harder to shove down a barrell than the normally softer lead in most non-jacketed rounds.

My favorite slogan in the poo-pump business is "We're #1 in the #2 business." There's a boat in Miami that goes and exmpties the sewage tanks of the large yachts while they are in port... it's called the "Turd Tug"

One other reason to go 617 is ammo price. You mentioned that being a factor in the first post. Of course, 9mm is one of the cheapest centerfires, but you can still get 550 rounds of .22 for the price of 50 rounds of 9mm! Even if the 617 carries a $100-$150 premium over the Springfield, you'll make that up quickly depending on how much you shoot. Best of luck and let us know!

Eh.... I have digital calipers, but really only use them for my semi-auto stuff, where OAL is important for feeding, and to keep pressures in check on warmer loads (ie: anything in 40 S&W) For normal/milder revolver loads, as long as the darn thing chambers I'm happy. =) Most of the bullets you'll use have crimp grooves anyways, so that takes care of figuring out how far to seat the bullet in the case. I assume you are starting with lighter loads, and beginning with the "starting charge" weights of powder? If so, I would just go ahead and load 'em up. I think calipers are great and handy to have around for light/mild revolver loads... and definitely a necessity for any semi-auto loads, and hot revolver loads as well. Did I make that sufficiently muddy for you? Anyways, congratulations on the new venture, and keep us posted on how it works out... oh yea, TAKE PICTURES!!!

I'd go with the 10 round 4" or 6" 617! If I could find a pre-lock, that would be ideal! I can't think of a better plinker anywhere. I also like loading cylinders instead of magazines, and with 10 rounds of capacity, you aren't giving anything up to a Mark series or P22. GO Smith!

Sorry I'm so late to the welcome wagon, Brandon! I just got back from Kansas late last night. Anywho, congrats on joining the forum... it's a great place!

I think the name "Extreme Shock" simply refers to what your wallet goes through after buying that hyped up crap.

Oh yea, short or long barrel.... if it's simply going to be a range gun (and maybe used to break in new shooters!) I'd go with the longer barrel. The longer barrel further reduces the already negligible recoil of the .22, while giving a longer sight radius to aid the new shooter.