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Sweet bike... but now you gotta change your handle on the forum!!

got it, get it, good!

While maybe not the most theologically sound statement, I get it and it makes sense, especially if you believe in free will. (I do)

I'm so jealous!! I've been wanting one of these so bad for 3 years now. I was really hoping Eddie was going to buy one awhile back so I could shoot his at our meet & shoots, but he didn't. So.... that means you're going to have to come to our June meet so I can shoot your gun!!

Yep. We came down last summer to visit the aquarium. I'm a big saltwater geek (I grew up in Miami, in the ocean every weekend) and so I was hoping to be impressed. The saltwater exhibit kinda' let me down. The main problem was the lighting. There just wasn't enough on that tank. All the fish just looked gray and boring. They had some beautiful queen angels that just looked so "blah" in there. We hit Chatty every now and then. We had some super cheap tickets for the riverboat down there (forgot the name) and that was cool. Yummy prime rib... I had like 4 pieces!

(not the butterfly, the cutie holding it!)

Nahh.......... I got this!

OK, I'm going to give us a range here; a 5 oz ball at 85 mph, and a 5.2 oz ball at 95 mph. That is the high and low side of the possible impact here. 2187.5gr @ 137.7 fps = 92 lb/ft of energy 2275gr @ 153.9 fps = 119 lb/ft of energy A 36gr .22 at 1,000 fps gives us 79 lb/ft of energy A 148gr .38 wadcutter type load at a modest 650 fps would give us 138 lb/ft of energy. And of course, as some have mentioned, spreading that force over a larger surface are (a baseball has a 2.9 inch average diameter) reduces the penetrative ability that makes bullets work like they do. Have you ever heard of the taylor knockout factor? It is a formula some dude came up with (maybe named Taylor??) that is used to measure the "knockdown power" of a round in a slightly different form than just total energy. The caliber, instead of just bullet weight and speed, is also taken into account. What is funny is how disproportionate these numbers become when you use a relatively large caliber (a2.9 inch baseball, for example) versus a standard ammo caliber like a .44 mag or 12g slug. The average .44 has a TKO (Taylor Knockout) factor of 20, with a 12g slug being in the 50s. See how crazy this gets with a baseball!! Our lighter/slower example of a baseball gives a TKO factor of 124!!! The faster/heavier ball has a TKO of 145!! I know... but this stuff is cool to me!!

Ok, a quick google says that an MLB baseball must weigh between 5.0 and 5.2 oz. That's 2187.5gr to 2275 gr. So how fast do you think that ball was going when it hit him?

Hey, can anyone do the energy calculations on that event? How does the total energy transfer of that baseball to the head relate to... say a 357 or a 45? I don't know how much a baseball weighs, nor how fast that one was going, but I'm guessing someone on here does. I know 7,000 grains to a lb, and about 1.62 fps per mph.... assuming a baseball weighed 1lb and was travelling 50 mph, then that would be 7000gr at 81fps, inversing the size and speed would be 70 gr at 810fps..... sounds like about a .32 acp there maybe? I know you guys are way smarter than me. Whaddya think?

Holy friggin' crap!! That's AWESOME!!! I appreciate the fine detail in having your undergarment slightly untucked. An instant classic. Would you take offense if I printed that off as targets? That way I could tell all my buddies about my gangsta Rabbi friend in Donelson!

You're a braver man than I, Rabbi! There's no way I could be a gun dealer in your area without 5-6 armed employees with me at all times. I remember the "fun" you had while I was in your shop with Strelcevina one day!! Crazy buncha' clowns out there. Side note... I'm really hoping to get up your way again soon. I've got some little stuff you may want. Take care!

Those used to fly all around us off the coast of Miami. Pretty cool until they land in the boat and freak out your girlfriend!!

Ouch!! Thanks for the update!

that first vid isn't working for me. youtube says "video is no longer available" got another linkie?

Tell me about it!!!

What else would you expect from me? This isn't my gun, but I wish it was!!

Geez, I would crap my pants for sex every night!!!

I'm sorry I gave you bad information!! he Dicks in Murfreesboro had about 30 of each in 4-5 different styles last time I was in, about 6 months ago. I thought they would all cary bascially the same stuff. I 'pologize!!

Hey ya'll ... it's kinda' cool to see where this has gone... good discussion. Mars, I gotta disagree with you. Discussing one's religion with others is not foolish or stupid. How did you get to your personal beliefs? Did you you think them up one day and decide that's what you were going to believe, or were you ideas hammered out in conversations with others, digesting what you've heard, then making your own decisions? I enjoy the challenges and opportunities to grow. Also, thanks all of you for your prayers for Brien and Amy. Here's a little snapshot of last night: Brien and Amy are incredible folks. Gensis was born at 5:20 last night, and had passed by 7pm. My wife and I got to the hospital about 6:15 and got to hold her for a bit. She weighed 1lb, 3.9oz and was 12.5" long and had curly, dark brown hair and a cute little unibrow. There was some other church family there, too, about 9-10 of us. About every 15 minutes the nurses came to check her heartbeat, and it was weaker and weaker every time. About 5-10 minutes before she died, Brien, her dad, was holding her and touched her hand with his finger... she gave it a little squeeze. Brien was so excited!! He brought her over to Amy and she did the same thing with her finger. A couple minutes later she gave a little yawn, and I think that was probably her last breath. What was more incredible was the peace and grace through the sadness in the room. Brien and Amy had about 2 weeks to prepare for all this, as the last month has been full of complications. their prayer has just been that they would get to spend some time with her before she died, and their prayer was answered. They were sad she was gone, but thankful for their time. God knows what He's doing folks. All of the nurses told us what a blessing Brien and Amy had been to them and to the other families on the floor. (She had been there three weeks.) Their peace about what was happening brought comfort to a lot of folks. Their lives were a ministry in the midst of all the stuff that was going on. God had a purpose for Genesis' life. Brien and Amy thank you for your payers and support. I tols them I had a bunch of folks on my gun-board praying for them, and they thought that was sooooo cool!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Dude, you're awesome!! That seriously has to be the funniest post of ALL TIME!!!! I seriously didn't even get what I was saying! Take care ya'll, I gotta go. http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8078

Hey guys, this post is a mix of two things from me. First, this is my last thought on the big thread that's been going on all day: To be honest, I realize I am young, and I know I only hold most of my beliefs at this time simply because it's what my parents or other strong influences told me. I grew up in a Baptist school while going to a Nazarene church (and still am Nazarene) I don't necessarily hold too tightly to all my ideas right now. That may sound dumb, but I'm willing to debate just about anything to try and learn or understand more. What does distress me about the thread is the sharp, and sometimes derogatory retorts of some of our members. Discussion and debate do not necessarily include derision. I know we have members who are not heterosexual, and I am OK with that. I am fearful of the idea that they may be hurt by some of the things I've said. I don't want to run anybody off. But i'm still not sure of where I stand on it. There are some hard questions raised. If it is an inborn thing, why would God subject someone to that? (Of course, that would only matter to you if you believe in God.) And here's the second, open ended part: .... as soon as I leave the office tonight I am headed to a hospital in Nashville where a couple from my church who are very close with my wife and I will probably be giving birth to a stillborn at 23 weeks tonight. The baby's name is Genesis, and she is the first child Brien and Amy. How is that a gift from a loving God? I can't answer that right now. I'm all tore up about it. But does me not having an answer give me a reason to doubt him? .... I don't think so, at this point. Ugh.... life is not easy. I don't really know what to say or how to sum up my feelings in a logical way right now. My hope is that we can all be buddies and get together and have a great time, regardless of all the other crap that goes on. Throughout the day I have gained more and more respect for some of our members. I have also been challenged through some conversations off the board and appreciate those. As I said, I am still growing as a person, and thank you all for being a part of that!! Take care ya'll. I'm off to Baptist Hospital.

Dick's will have basically the same thing as Academy, but probably just a dollar or two higher. Oh, and Congrats on your first gun!! That looks like a good one. Happy and safe shooting to you!

Cool! Congrats to both of you guys for getting your permits. Here's hoping for a fast processing time for you, Allan! I will say carrying definitely makes you perk up your awareness about your surroundings.

Len .... wow.... great thoughts. Thanks so much for stepping in. This is the kind of stuff to wrestle with. I got some more growin' to do!