Patton

I love mine, it is honestly a well tuned piece of art. It is every bit ascaccurate as most pistols, I shoot milk jugs at 20 yards. I had the 22lr and sold it to buy the mag/lr conversion. I have the 1 1/8" barrel but wished I had the 1 5/8" model.

I don't have time to address everything. Every department everywhere does mandatory blood draw on drivers in everything with a serious injury. If you are going to argue every study, observance, and life story I know then there is nothing I can say to you. DUI offenders are out there in abundance. I have known officers that have been on patrol and arrested 3 in one night. I have been screening a driver for DUI when one crashed into my parked car. I know a woman who has lost two children to DUI's years apart. I have been talking on the phone with my wife when she was rear ended by a drunk driver, no license because he had 10 DUI convictions. These DUI checkpoints generally do not cost much, most of the officers working these are reservist. There are a hell of a lot cheaper than a fatality investigation. Alcohol related means what it means; impairment on any level. Something else is there are people demanding further alcohol detection practices to include automatic blood draws. I truthfully could careless about any practices changing, people are going to continue to drink. Most have been severely effected in their family life with DUI's. I have been in a trial when the judge asked the potential jurors (150ish people) how many have had a friend or family member effected by DUI's and almost everyone raised their hands. I have seen other days when no one hardly raises their hand. Contrary to popular belief, most DUI's don't come from bars. Restaurants, private parties, people even get drink and go drive around. It takes many different practices to target DUI offenders.

That is a point but also we are driving on state, city, or county roads in which they are representatives of, and not private property. In a lot of appellate court decisions the judges have determined we have less expectation of privacy on public and it is not unreasonable to a brief stop ensuring public safety.

In 2003, 21 percent of the children under 15 years old who were killed in motor vehicle crashes were killed in alcohol-related crashes.(NHTSA, 2013). Around 1500 for that year. A hell of a lot more than killed by guns.

JayC, your probably correct in assuming that only 20% of fatalities are truly caused because of alcohol. As a traffic investigator I see a lot of crashes where speed and alcohol were the cause of the collision. I would say more than 6-7% innocent people killed crashes are killed by drunk drivers. I even seem to recall that 5% of children killed in motor vehicle crashes were because of drunk drivers, but I can't find the numbers. I do want to point out that if someone is seriously injured .05% is the maximum allowable BAC, and lower if a minor. Also unless it is a very odd situation, every driver gets a mandatory blood draw during a fatality so we don't make up numbers assuming creative numbers. Some of these statistics include drug impairment and some do not. While drug impairment detection is low during DUI checkpoints and traffic stops they are a large percentage of traffic fatality investigations. I have never done a DUI checkpoint with a K-9, I understand some departments do but I would imagine they aren't supposed to be utilized unless there is PC. I really thought that the Rutherford Co kid was on drugs btw. As far as asking questions and asking for documents, it's probably just want they are comfortable asking for. I would have no problems only asking basic questions or telling them we are checking for impaired drivers. I have picked up on several odd behaviors drunks have when you stop them. Not rolling the window down but 6 inches, not illegal but strange. They also normally have food in the car, someone in the passenger seat asleep, and very anxious to hand you a DL, registration, and insurance all at one time. If you really want to confuse a drunk ask for their drivers license and insurance only, one at a time. They will also keep their hand out anticipating getting it back and leaving quickly. I see that there is closer to 200 million licensed drivers, I was going off of memory. I wonder if they are including the large amount of licenses revoked or suspended and those that have a license issued that are deceased. There is only supposed to be 313.9 million people in he US. To think 2/3 rds have a license is a lot.

Typo fixed, I fixed it.

Without looking I would say you are correct. 100 million is slightly more than the amount of licensed drivers in the US, so it is about the equivalent of every driver driving drunk once a year.

Those 11 million most likely include granny backing into a shopping cart at Walgreens where the police did a report as a courtesy. There are 36 thousand traffic fatalities in America a year on average, but 30% or more are alcohol related. Sobriety checkpoints: traffic stops where law enforcement officers assess drivers’ level of alcohol impairment. These checkpoints consistently reduce alcohol-related crashes, typically by 9%.(CDC, 2013)

I'm sorry if you guys don't agree then you need to vote differently and voice your opinions to your elected officials. These are the people who hire the nine robed officials ruling. Until then this is the way it is? We have an estimated 30 million drunk drivers a year in America, driving drunk 100 million times a year. Now with your seasoned experience how do you recommend we stop it?

While I don't deny the questionable Legalities of such check points it is foolish to claim they are not effective. The effectiveness is the reason the SCOTUS has just had to tilt the scale in the favor of the check points. The numbers of impaired drivers taken at these checkpoints surprise everyone, several times I have heard that the checkpoints had to be shut down early because of too many drunks. Then the Centers for Disease Control releases it's study that states with DUI checkpoints have 20% less road fatalities. You just can't argue that they are unproductive. We advertise there time and location on the news, setup with signs and lights ahead of time just to gave some drunk pull up drinking in the line. It amazes me how productive they are.

Unofficially that does appear to be the norm.

I can actually understand that, I don't know your current situation. Go for it, if it does not work for you won't be out much.

Oh unarmed pay tops out at about $10 a hour unless you are working more as a private(corporation) guard/detective. Armed pay is normally $10-13 a hour and expect to get laid off a lot. You can always find work though around December though. The ultimate goal is to have your own company, can be stressfull though balancing contracts and personnel. Maybe you could work into a government contract or one of the few government guard positions. Some of the highest paid guards are the DOE contract guards and the TVA contract guards, they are making around $18 a hour, almost all are prior military, police, and EMT's.

I have never been a security guard but basically you can get hired as an unarmed guard making min wage and maybe a little more. They will put you through the class and deduct the license fee from your check. You will carry your license if you leave and look for another job. As far as armed expect to work unarmed for a long time and stand the possibility of never getting the chance to go armed though. Most places, the few with armed guards, hire people who spend the $300 out of pocket to already have their license and training. There am be a place in Murfessboro doing armed guard training but you may have to go to Nashville. Good luck.

I would like to share my first DUI checkpoint story. I was a young officer, I had been in the traffic unit a few months and had a few DUI's under my belt. I encouraged my office that we do a DUI checkpoint on a New Years Eve. My department talked back and forth with the DA and other necessary people. They said no, but we could do it on Dec30 from 7pm until 11pm, at a particular location that sucked. We took about 8 officers out there. This location was terrible, we essentially setup at a dead end road, stopping every 4th vehicle. This was only about 10 vehicles an hour, surprisingly we did find a suspended license. I actually felt like an ass since I had been complaining about the time and location they allowed us. It came time to start wrapping it up, I think we had shutdown the lights and picked up a few cones. I hear tires screeching when this guy came crashing through our checkpoint in an Exterra. The officers were actually trying to divert him around us. He stops and is crashed over the steering wheel, I get him to exit the vehicle and he sprawls his arms out on the side of the vehicle. This dude was trashed, he couldn't stand nor talk. We couldn't even do any of the SFST's he was so intoxicated. His BrAC was actually a little lower than I thought it would have been. Afterwards we were all talking about how bizarre the incident was and what a blessing of faith that we were where we were when we were. Since then it has been my experience that you don't even have to talk to people, much less ask questions during DUI checkpoints to score big with one. They will find you.

It is marketing, the same reason some athletes get paid to wear, eat, or drink a product we pay money for. The reason there is a 500% markup on guns is because we are paying for research and design as well as for gun manufacturers to fight for our rights and hire lobbiest.

There are over a dozen appellate court decisions concerning DUI checkpoints, not a single one has declared a DUI checkpoint unconstitutional. Some may have violated a state law and many may have had a single action suppressed in the courts, but DUI checkpoints as a whole not a violation of constitutional rights.

The final word, Michigan v Sitz, on DUI checkpoints is that as long as public safety is the goal and the legal guidelines are met they are constitutional.

In the video of the idiot kid from Rutherford county I strongly sided with the the deputy. It was a DUI checkpoint and I would have had every suspicion in the world that something wasn't right. If you have stopped a DUI, not rolling the window down all the way is something they try. If I remember correctly, in TN, only the THP can do ID check points. I am assuming this is because they(there parent agency) are the issuing authority for DL. Some of these Immigration and Custom Enforcement ID check points in border states I don't know why they are so hesitant bout showing ID and cooperating.

Nothing I can say will help the situation. Just telling me why you were calling him tells me how good of a guy he must have been, letting you borrow his dies. I bet those dies will now become you most cherished possession.

I remember when that happened. He should fry. I believe both of the guys were SF, we're they not? I actually thought the guy had the police pinned down upstairs so they couldn't even exit the house, he either had a Glock 30 or 21.

They like drama, I bet many of them have had affairs and "accidentally" ran into their spouse while on a date. No seriously, they feel violated and they are not as smart as they think they are. What is even crazier is watching these officers who actually do have a right to demand ID beat around the bush. They have reasonable suspicion or probable cause to do an investigative detention is all they need to say. An old court case Hiibel v 6th judicial circuit of Nevada determined that police have the right to demand ID when they have reasonable suspicion. It is questionable during these ID checks and DUI checks though, being the destructive nature of DUI offenders so far DUI checks have stood, it may get more interesting in the future though.

I obviously have forgotten some of the crap but I miss it more everyday. I really miss Afghanistan, being there I had dreams and endless possibilities in my future. They were rough times but I would love to live them all over again.

Why would you not take advantage of multiple reputable trainers? Are you going to take a one day course and be an "expert" gunfighter?

There is another small exception but it can be complicated. Are either of you Active Duty Military?