WindHawk

StPatrick, I can pick up the Hornady manual Wednesday after lunch if that's OK.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!!!!

Good information. I forwarded it to several folks that I care about. Thanks.

Makes sense.

I'd like to know "the rest of the story". Small market equipped with a heavily armored "safe room" attacked by multiple gunmen with long arms?? Doesn't sound like a typical quick in, quick out smash and grab operation to me.

Work good like AmPaTerry says. Nice thing about being a old geezer though, don't have to try to hide them so I look "cool"! Just clip'em on and go. Personally, I like the ones made by Perry. Black and blue gets boring quickly though. You can have some fun if you're crazy enough to wear the wild colors and patterns they make.

Very true about the bomber crews. I had an uncle who was a radar-navigator in the 379th Bomb Group. He flew 21 combat missions between Oct '44-Apr '45; 20 were over Germany; Berlin twice, Mannheim, Cologne, Hanover and several other cities. As a radar navigator, 18 missions were with the 526th Squadron lead crews. He said that, except for their next to last mission in April '45 to Bordeaux-Royayl (France) which he called a "milk run", they returned with a flak damaged plane every time. Some of his more interesting stories involved the German's ME-262 jet fighter. He said they were deadly and when you saw one attacking your formation a bomber was going down. The only thing you could do was hope he didn't pick your plane. All the men and women that fought WWII have my greatest admiration and appreciation. I'm not sure we could again do it today.

Fantastic Murgatroy. Long ago I did the full 4-H program; all 10 years. No shooting program then but I worked the rifle range at the camp in Columbia, TN during summer camp every year. I'm currently training to be a 4-H shooting sports coach next year. Maybe we'll have some success with our kids and I'll get to watch her at a meet some day.

Yeah! One more ordered. Thanks, David.

One more "Welcome!"

  Same old vaudeville style"smoke and mirrors" show.  Keep the marks watching your right hand throw out "stuff" while your left hand is busy behind your back and your pals quietly empty the pockets of the crowd.

  Problem is, it takes too many of them to buy what I want!!

Sounds like you're luck to be uninjured and posting on TGO.  A critical part of the steering system fell off a new vehicle after 40 miles of use??  Great advertisement for Jeep products.  Personally, I'd be expecting some significant action from the manufacturer and wouldn't be waiting calmly a week later to receive "it" and my new car.  Also, it takes a week and counting to replace a tie rod, wheel and tire??.  I think I smell a fishy odor!

I think you can do an interesting study.  I ran a quick look and got this:                                       Permit Holders   2014 Est. Pop.   % 0f Pop w/HCP  Crime Rate (per 1,000)   Number of Crimes    % of State Total State of Tennessee     543,851           6,549,000             8.30%                         82.39                               539,625                100.00%    Davidson                   31,458              668,347             4.71%                      129.35                                 86,450                  16.02%    Hamilton                   25,411              351,220             7.24%                        91.99                                  32,307                    5.99%    Knox                         34,490              448,644             7.69%                         75.96                                 34,077                    6.31%    Shelby                      61,508              938,803             6.55%                       128.01                               120,174                  22.27%   Let us know how it works out.  (Sorry for the edits - Can get the layout right!)

Welcome.  Lot's of knowledge available in this group.

Here's a commercial source:  http://www.crazycrow.com  Search for Item #: 5520-008-714   On-Sale for $7.25 for 50 through 4/30/16.  Standard "stuff" on the Pow Wow circuit. Used to make the jingles for  ladies dance regalia and some other things.

Been there, done that several years ago - three times.  Might be different now but I remember they stopped the general anesthesia a little before the procedure ended.  They wanted you mobile quickly when they finished.  Imagine a giant rubber band hitting the same spot over and over.  Each zap hurts a little more than the one before it (or maybe I was waking up more).  You can suffer through a lot if that's the only option but why do it.   +1 on Mrs. safeandsecure's comment on passing a stone.  If you've never seen one imagine a 3-D object made of broken razor blades that are  pointing in all directions.  I can't compare the experience to giving birth but the fact others do gave me a whole new perspective on the females in our lives. 

It amazes me how most people think short-term and not far enough ahead to consider the real issue of available land vs. population.  Tennessee has an area of 42,181 square miles.  That's all the land, not just land used for agriculture.  A little less than 1/2 the state (11.8 million acres) is farmland.  Another 14 million acres are forests.   Our estimated population in 2014 was 6.549 million people.  Do the math.  If the people are spread evenly across ALL the land in the state each of us  would get a square about 425 ft. on a side where we could live and try to survive.  If you're lucky your "football field and a half" can be farmed.  If not, you might be trying to find a way to eat while hanging on the side of Mt. LeConte.  Hunting for meat - forget it.  My squirrels and bunnies are pretty "productive" but not that good!  Plus, I've got 8 neighbors around me that want meat too.    Put the people on the land being used for agriculture today and your "share" shrinks to a square about 280 ft. per side.  In either case it's probably more land than you can cultivate without power equipment and draft animals will be virtually non-existent (How many people do you know that own a draft horse, mule or ox?).    Yes, I am realistic; there won't be 6.5 million Tennesseans after a major SHTF event, but the idea is still the same. 

"Everything he's told me is completely plausible..."  SOP for a scammer.  If he can delay you until the refund period is used up he "wins" and you "lose"...   your money.

Great personal testimony!  Can we get a repeat performance with a video this time??  :eek:

  Or cars or baseball bats or...  How far can the list go?   Although I do feel for them, I doubt the plaintiffs' loss and pain, is a consideration at all.  They are just being used to advance someone else's agenda... and to give a bunch of lawyers a huge payday if they can pull this off.   

  I had the same thought bersaguy.  Sometimes the best way to hide is to be in plain sight.  Kinda like the "gray man" concept if SHTF.

  Only if you're the last crotchety old man to bid!!

  Too logical...  Plus there's no increased revenue potential in it.