mikegideon

[quote name='enfield' timestamp='1352775748' post='844636'] Yes they will. It's their media. Won't make a headline in Bugtussle TN. I'm already on government lists and they know where I am. [/quote] I think I already saw a headline. It won't make a difference. The only way to do that at this point is to rag at the folks in congress.

[quote name='The Dude' timestamp='1352748779' post='844379'] I never said that those votes do decide for the rest of the population. You simply posted wrong info. Thats all. [/quote] Sorry. I posted the info that's in the article. Didn't get a current tally, Dude. [i]The states and their updated totals are: [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-louisiana-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/1wrvtngl"]Louisiana[/url], 10,296; [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B"]Texas[/url], 9196; [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-florida-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/D87Rv7yJ"]Florida[/url], 2392; [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-alabama-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/2TvhJSSC"]Alabama[/url], 2492; [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-north-carolina-withdraw-united-states-and-create-its-own-new-government/rx1KDYTs"]North Carolina[/url], 2434; [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-kentucky-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/RskKYzB6"]Kentucky[/url], 1934; [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-mississippi-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-governmen/9M9rdL8n"]Mississippi[/url], 1935; [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-indiana-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/51jYVZ5L"]Indiana[/url], 1951; [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-north-dakota-withdraw-usa-and-create-its-own-new-government/lqPGbvVl"]North Dakota[/url], 881; [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-montana-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/l76dWhwN"]Montana[/url], 1538; [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-colorado-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/lWDshfl3"]Colorado[/url], 1805[url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/allow-oregon-vote-and-leave-union-peacefully-and-remain-ally-nation/X3kWX8kF"]Oregon[/url], 1594; [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-new-jersey-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/RYvjgdDT"]New Jersey[/url], 1492; [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-new-york-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/RSBkpCf9"]New York[/url], 1727; [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-sc-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/KL6qrls8"]South Carolina[/url], 117; [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-arkansas-withdraw-united-states-and-create-its-own-new-government/k6LhPsBX"]Arkansas[/url], 86; [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-georgia-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/pgJ9JLY3"]Georgia[/url], 131; [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-missouri-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/Vd92R3YG"]Missouri[/url], 149.[/i]

[quote name='cardcutter' timestamp='1352747674' post='844373'] Nothing concrete will come of these petitions. However it might be a great way for the white house to see just how many people are not happy with them. I think the count is up to 26 states that are doing some version of the same petition. Now just what kind of statement would it be if they all got the 25000 signatures . That is, by the way, the threshold for the white house to respond to the petition. Nothing else. My point is simply that it would send a message if 26x25000 (650000) people showed their dissatisfaction. [/quote] They don't care. They just had a national count of folks that aren't happy with them.

[quote name='Clod Stomper' timestamp='1352746759' post='844363'] Winning a war does not determine rights vs. non-rights. If you beat me up and take my lunch money, did you determine that I had no right to that money? As far as Texas secession, I'm not so sure that they need a petition. I'll have to look into it further,[b] but wasn't a right of secession a part of their treaty with the US when they joined the union? [/b]Not sure, but I'm curious. [/quote] May be. It came up a time or two when I lived there.

[quote name='The Dude' timestamp='1352742841' post='844347'] Dont know. You seem to have all the answers. You tell me. I was simply correcting your mis-informed post. [/quote] My post misinformed? I know it takes 25,000 to get somebody to read it. Those 25,000 DON'T decide for 25 million people. How is that misinformed?

[quote name='The Dude' timestamp='1352742204' post='844342'] According to the link on the white house site, they have over 18,000, and need less than 6500 to make the 25,000 quota. [/quote] And then what?

[quote name='No Ammo' timestamp='1352739430' post='844316'] CIVIL UNREST! 18 States Petition The Obama White House To Withdraw From Union State numbers are listed below: [url="http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=12144"]http://www.nowtheend...m/blog/?p=12144[/url] [/quote] The population of Texas is over 25 million. They have less than 10,000 signatures. They have a ways to go.

[quote name='gregintenn' timestamp='1352737232' post='844303'] Okay.....I blame the majority of the people in Chicago. [/quote] Yep.

[quote name='gregintenn' timestamp='1352736636' post='844291'] Aren't these politicians elected, re-elected, etc. by the majority of the people if Illinois? I blame the people. [/quote] Population of the Chicago Metro: 9.7 Million Population of Illinois: 12.9 Million

[quote name='crimsonaudio' timestamp='1352730069' post='844250'] Ridiculous. [/quote] Yep.

[quote name='RobertNashville' timestamp='1352671511' post='843913'] For months I've had Paulbots and Johnsonbots and whateverbots tell me they were going to vote for someone other than Romney because Romney wasn't this or wasn't that and that they weren't going to abandon their principles...now it seems as if some folks here want conservatives and people of faith to abandon THEIR principles just so the Republicans can win an election. Somebody please explain to me why I'm supposed to abandon what I believe in and were I to do so, what kind of man would I be??? [/quote] Not winning elections is kinda like not eating. You can't hope that hard cultural changes are going to reverse themselves. You don't even have to agree. Just don't attack.

[quote name='OhShoot' timestamp='1352670505' post='843901'] Yep. Obama and the leftest Dems all wanted single payer. They got it, will just take some time for it to inevitably become thus. - OS [/quote] ... if Obmacare doesn't get amended a bunch of times.

[quote name='ThePunisher' timestamp='1352660916' post='843836'] As in a pinko commie. [/quote] As in medium well. The Chinese will eat anything

For somebody from Minnesota... THE WEATHER. You don't have to plug your car in to keep from breaking the door hinges in the winter. I'm a Midwesterner, but have lived most of my life in Tennessee. You just can't beat it. I have lived around the country some, and always wound up back here. Come on down, and bring all your guns.

I haven't lived there since I was a kid, but have had lots of Job related stuff there over the years. Fist brought up some real good points in his original post. Folks that have spent their whole lives in the Chicago area have never been around guns unless they were in a job that required them. They don't get it, because it's never been part of their lives. I don't know how you fix that when the government thugs do their best to keep things as is. I'm not in touch enough to know if there's any hope. From the outside looking in, I doubt it. The population in Chicago isn't getting any smaller.

[quote name='Flatwoods Forge' timestamp='1352653967' post='843786'] Im thinking packing my bob the way I was taught in the USMC. Use water tight inner bags, trash bags will work. Seal them good and even a heavy pack will float like raft. [/quote] That makes sense.

[quote name='monkeylizard' timestamp='1352653271' post='843778'] I call mine Linda. Seriously though, are you guys thinking something simple like water wings or a kid's inflatable pool ring/toy? [/quote] I'm not a Red Dawn kinda guy, but I'm thinking more like a camping pillow. Something that's not so easy to puncture.

[quote name='DaveTN' timestamp='1352647256' post='843718'] I was also raised in Illinois only I’m not ashamed of it. Comparing all of Illinois to Chicago is like comparing all of Tennessee to Memphis. I work to help educate the people of Illinois when I am there and they are close to getting another shot at carry permits. Only I take a little different approach than you. As I tell them, when you are talking with a state legislator the minute the words “My 2nd Amendment rights” cross your lips; you don’t have any credibility. The 2nd amendment fight has been fought and for the time being it has been settled by the SCOTUS. You can argue the rulings all you want; but they are the law of the land. So, do you want to argue about rights that you don’t have, or do you want carry privileges? I have been arrested and jailed for no crime other than having a loaded gun in my car; so I am absolutely sure that I don’t have a 2nd amendment right to bear arms. So should I just give up? Of course not. Illinois doesn’t recognize the 2nd amendment as an individual right, and neither does the state of Tennessee. But being able to carry a gun dosen’t require that they do. Being Democrat or Republican has little to do with what a person believes about gun rights/privileges. Every state has its problems. I am trying to help my friends and family be able to carry guns in Illinois. I would also like to ask my friends on this forum to stop with the bitter attacks on the citizens of the state of Illinois. They make you look terrible and hate filled. They are fighting the same fight the citizens of many states fought in order to be able to carry. Please support our brothers and sisters in arms in Illinois. I can assure you that it is a fight between the good people downstate and the thugs in Chicago that don’t want to get shot, or have their juvenile delinquent kids they raised, killed by armed citizens that refuse to be victims. I love the state of Illinois and I hope to return there when I retire; it is home. I have been in Tennessee for 14 years and have a few more to go. I am a law abiding citizen and try to help my community in any way I can. I served my country, have two honorable discharges, served my community as a Police Officer and am proud to call myself an American and a Patriot. I would never turn my back on an American in need no matter what state they live in. [/quote] I have spent a lot of time in Illinios. The problem with gun laws almost all comes from the Chicago area. Lots of great people in that state. Plenty of gun owners too. The same can be said for California and New York. When I bash any of those states, I'm bashing the ant-gun majority. Illinois has a tough road ahead. I wish them luck.

Blowup floatation takes up amost no space.

[quote name='LINKS2K' timestamp='1352648614' post='843731'] Why would the chinese invade us instead of our weaker neighbors to the north and south, ehh? [/quote] Duh. How many Canadians have 400 lbs of canned pork chops buried in their back yards? All the food is here.

Not the first time it's happened. A friend of mine was an RN/Midwife, and told me about one years ago. They didn't try to put the baby back, but the rest happened.

[quote name='Mike.357' timestamp='1352609093' post='843587'] do you pick and choose who to respond to? I gave my answer in post #6 [/quote] Yes. You look Chinese in your avatar. Sound Chinese too.

I'll shoot a Chinaman if he comes in my yard. Then I'll steal his rations. I know... it's probably cat meat. I've had it before. Tastes like chicken.

[quote name='TripleDigitRide' timestamp='1352609143' post='843588'] Yeah, because a vast majority of politicians aren't white. [/quote] And a vast majority of the population is.

[quote name='HvyMtl' timestamp='1352588362' post='843351'] I do think they care what she spits out in Cali, as I believe this is a direct response to the voters who keep voting her back in. Difference of opinion? Perhaps. But, if she kept spewing forth stuff her constituents did not want, would she still get re-elected over and over again? Doubtful. [/quote] Oh, they want it