RobertNashville

Back in the day I drove an ambulance for the FD in Kitsap County Washington...yeah...they were painted an almost florescent green and had flashing lights and sirens all over the place but I had to assume the people didn't see me (and was generally correct).  I guess it was probably during that time of my life when I began to realize just how stupid and unfocused most people are. ;)

One of the things I've noticed with drivers after moving to Tennessee was what seems to be an utter disregard for stop signs and red lights and even loading/unloading school buses. It could be, perhaps, that the fact that I noticed this after moving to Tennessee was just a coincidence and that this is a general trend across the country but whether this is a problem just for Tennessee or just for the southern states or the entire country it is a problem and I think needs to be addressed. I would really like to see some strong enforcement and some strong enemies for those who run red lights or run stop signs and other similar traffic rules. I suspect, however, that cities will just continue to put up "red light cameras that generate revenue but do very little to address the problem. I hope this boy and his grandmother recover and that hang this driver out to dry.

I thought it was pretty clear WHO he addressed his email (which he was reading for the video) was pretty as was "what his problem is' with the LT he wrote the email to.  :shrug:

Well, not leaving but I'll be living in Savannah most of the time...still maintaining my home in TN, voting here, etc.   I'm on assignment there but TN is still my "home".  That said, I want to get involved with GA's firearm community since I will be spending so much time there and it's always nice to have the insight into a state's laws from people who are far more familiar with them that I am; at least initially!   So; not really leaving (although I'm sure there are more than a few here who would be more than happy not just to see me go but would offer to help me pack). :)

I'm wondering if we have anyone on board who are in Georgia or from Georgia and can recommend what GA groups to get involved in; i.e. any forums similar to TGO (and as well managed) and any pro-2A groups similar in purpose to the TFA?   I do know of GeorgiaCarry.org but not if there are any others and I've no idea about what forums are there (and which ones aren't worth my time!...any insight would be appreciated. Thanks!

I do understand as well as anyone that background checks are both an infringement on our rights as well as rather useless. However, I do think we should keep in mind that background checks for intrastate face to face sales between private parties are required by some states - since Facebook is not a "Tennessee" site I don't really see this as a problem; really more of a CYA move as much as anything.   After all, FB is not even a firearm related site...if I owned FB I might put the same kind of stipulation on posts where people are trying to buy/sell firearms just to avoid trouble down the road.   Finally, FB putting that stipulation in a post is not an binding agreement on the two private individuals if their state of residence does not require BG checks for private sales then they are still free to do the sale without one.

Just trying to point out the reality of what people would be facing...I'm not even suggesting that the "option" being discussed shouldn't be done...if it really becomes necessary then it's necessary regardless of outcome (and who knows, maybe I'm completely wrong about how things would work out). ;)

Surely that doesn't surprise you does it???  ;)

It I might add...when I was speaking about debt, jobs, etc. I was doing so within the overall framework of participating in "protests"; not just this one issue or just the issue of "resisting" tyranny (in the form of gun confiscation).   The point I was trying to make is that there are lots of issues and lots of protests, gatherings, etc that I would love to participate in (there is one this coming week at the legislature on a Tuesday at noon) that is difficult if not impossible to attend because...well...because I work for a living and my employer expected me to be here! I hope that clears up where I was coming from.

We don't have George Washington nor an army for GW to lead; at least as far as I can tell...for every 1,000 firearm owners who will talk a good game online I'd wager you'd be lucky to get one to "join up". We also won't be facing Redcoats who only know one way to fight (the Continental Army didn't start to have much success until they stopped trying to fight the way the Brits did)...any such Revolution today would be facing a superior force with superior weapons and likely superior tactics as well...do you really think there would be a good outcome for the "Patriots"?

Well, my friend...when you are ready to lock and load and head to CT to fight with them let me know...maybe I'll drive. ;)

The true originators (the legislators) will likely come out looking like the rational folks.   The police trying to enforce the law who may get shot/killed if people resist with violence will likely be looked on as heroes.   The gun owners who resisted...well, they will likely be dead and their arms confiscated (and the lives of their families ruined if they are still alive)...those of us of the same mindset as them (like us) may consider them the heroes but most people and the press will paint them as violent radicals in the vein of Timothy McVeigh who got exactly what they deserved - exactly the kind of people who the law was passed to protect "reasonable" people from. I'm not saying don't resist but I think everyone needs to be realistic about the likely outcome.

For me, the fact that someone could chose to do that doesn't mean it a valid option.   Let's not forget that the firearm owners in CT who are now facing this issue are facing this issue because they and the other citizens of CT voted for the legislators who passed this law and I would suggest that this process stretches back decades and decades of people choosing, either actively or passively, to allow their rights to be taken away.   If that is an accurate assessment then I have a hard time feeling sorry for them at this point and I'm not at all sure that engaging in a violent confrontation (whether on the offensive or defensive) is justified. And...if it isn't justified I don't consider it a valid option...a possible option but not a valid one.   If things really come to that I think it will turn out badly, not just for those firearm owners who resist with violence gut perhaps for all of us. I don't remember if I've said it here or not (as I've been discussing this on other sites as well) but once they show up on your doorstep to collect your "illegal" weapons you've pretty much already lost no matter what you do at that point...these CT folks should have been more awake and concerned years or decades ago. Of course, that's just my $0.02  

I think you misunderstand; at least you misunderstand me.   I don't think anyone and I know I'm not saying that our desire for and action regarding constitutional authority should be based on our personal economic situation.  There is, however, an economic reality here and that's all I'm trying to point out.   Before you or I or anyone decides to pledge our lives, our fortunes or our sacred honor on a course of action we (and anyone who depends on us financially such as our spouses and children) had better count that economic cost and be truly sure we are doing the right thing.. 

As a matter of philosophy I completely agree with you...as a practical matter; these programs are not sulfa-sustaining and pay out more in benefits than the recipients pay in - the only reason we still get the benefits of these programs is because the government is unwilling to admit it they are broke.   The real tragedy of SS is not how much we get out of it or even how much we paid in but the amount of money it robs us of. A couple of years ago and went back and figured out how much money I have paid into SS since I started working at around 14 and had I been able to invest that money in even an investment of even just average return I'd have in excess of $2M in my own retirement account that I actually own...that I can actually pass on to my family when I'm gone...add in the employer's share (which is really our money as well) and the multiplication effect is enough to make you go insane once you realize how much the government has taken from us.

Certainly, being without debt does offer some freedom (assuming one has a 3-6 month emergency fund to live on). But, I'd still (and I think most people would) be hesitant to risk a good job unless I was doing so to go to a better one (I'm actually facing that decision as I write this) because the new job would require me to rent a home in Savannah (still maintaining my residence here).   I think in my entire life since I was 14 I've been employed somewhere other than a total of about 12 weeks (not all at one time) and 75% of that was because I was in the middle of moving/relocating.  Being without a job is a scary prospect whether one has debt or not. ;)

Are politicians in Congress and the White House and bureaucrats at most levels of government overpaid?   Probably.  However, whether they are or aren't is really just a value judgment and no something easily quantified and comparing them to "other" salaries like teachers or military members really only muddies the water.   Whether they are or aren't they really aren't the problem...the real problem is that the country is moving closer and closer to socialism and a welfare state.  The sad thing is that such a system cannot maintain itself; even Russia and China has figured that out yet we (and most of Europe) keep rushing headlong into the abyss.   I wish I though we could change things but I don't think we will...what I do think is that we'll have either a total or partial economic collapse and a lot of what is "wrong" with this country now is going to get washed out as those who currently don't work and have no clue how to take care of themselves or do real work will die off (one way or another).   I really hope I'm wrong, though.

Obamacare is the law of the land...our last chance to eliminate it (and it was a small chance) evaporated with Obummer's reelection and with the cave-in of the Republican establishment. By the time enough legislators get elected that might have the balls to actually take on the issue of Obamacare it will be so established that, like Medicare, Medicaid, SS and all the other entitlements NO ONE WILL TOUCH IT.   The best we can hope for at this point is that there are changes made that will make it more easy to swallow.   Of course, in my opinion, our economy is going to collapse before that happens anyway which will make Obamacare and all the other mammoth entitlement programs moot as they sink under their own weight of debt and worthless money.   This "change" (as have been all the others) is all about trying to get Democrats elected/reelected.

I really don't understand the above or how it relates to what I said in the post you are quoting.   How is requiring a BC check "crossing the line"..what line?  In TN if you are crossing state lines you have to go through an FFL; what's the big deal???

I think TGO is safer than Facebook.   People who are firearm enthusiasts tend to be pretty decent people.   People who spend significant time here (on TGO) tend to be "real" firearm enthusiasts   TGO is administered by good people (and the rif-raff tend to get weeded out).   People who have spent significant time here and become benefactors (necessary to be able to sell here) make it even more likely that they are actually firearm enthusiasts. They also will likely accumulate an IT Trader "rating" of either being good people to deal with or not good people to deal with.   No one is saying that dealing with someone from TGO is a guarantee of anything but it's a hell of a lot more to go on than someplace like Facebook where someone could have joined 10 minutes before posting their "gun" for sale and with no mechanism to indicate if they might be a good person to deal with.

There is really nothing wrong with Facebook...most of what could be said that's "bad" about social media today could have been said (and likely was) about almost any advancement in technology over the last 150 years. Most of what people complain about with FB are problems of their own making by not being careful about what they post there.   There is a book I highly recommend people read, if you want an idea about technology and where it's taking us. It's been out in HC for a while but the papterback just came out.The New Digital Age: Transforming Nations, Businesses, and Our Lives. It's quite an eye opener.

I'm a bit surprised that anyone would use Facebook to sell or buy a firearm...equally surprised that a company like Facebook wouldn't just delete such posts automatically.  :shrug: 

On what basis do people think that, at this point, voting is going to change anything in CT?   Does anyone have numbers of how may people in CT are actually opposed to this infringement vs how many people want it?

I don't disagree that debt is a huge problem and is, slavery...at the same time; I don't think you can specifically blame debt for people not wanting to risk their jobs.  Few people are wiling to risk their jobs whether they have debt or not because even with zero debt you still need an income (people still have expenses and need to save for retirement, emergencies, etc.). I would suggest that it has more to do with the fact that those who actually care about these issues DO have a job and aren't free to just hop on a bus go "go protest" like so many on the left do.

I noticed that too...I didn't read where anybody had said to start shooting it out.