RobertNashville

Just speculating but maybe he wasn't arrested then because there wasn't any evidence to support her claim???   I don't know that state's specific laws about it (and I believe it does vary a great deal from state to state) but even in today's hypersensitivity to domestic violence there still has to be some evidence to support the claim before they haul someone off to jail doesn't there? 

I agree, up to a point; by that I mean I don't believe there should be protected classes. However, I also find discrimination detestable and we have pretty ample evidence that, left to their own conscious (or lack thereof), people will do what we saw them do 50 years ago. So, while "protected classes" may be repugnant, they perhaps are not nearly as repugnant as the "wrong" that they are intended to make right.

It isn't a matter of equating; in fact if you re-read what I wrote I said I wasn't really equating the two; rather, I was pointing out the parallels that I think, are pretty obvious regardless of what side one comes down on with regards to the homosexual lifestyle/homosexual "rights".   We talk about protected v non-protected classes but I think the bigger and more appropriate question is why should anyone be treated differently than anyone else by a business that ostensibly exists to make a profit by or perhaps only to serve the "public".

Not completely equating the two situations here but wasn't that exact same excuse used to not serve "colored folks" and why the south had "colored drinking fountains"?  Just how far should this ability to "refuse service" go? I'm not saying that a business should be forced to serve or not serve anyone but I do see some pretty obvious parallels here.   When you hold yourself out to the public as a business who serves "the public" I think you take on some responsibilities that might have to go beyond your personal, privately held, beliefs.

Regardless of what one thinks, doesn't think, cares or doesn't care about Paul Walker, Nelson Mandela was a communist revolutionary who was good buddies with the like of Castro, Chavez and mostly backed by the Soviet Union...Mandela did seek peace when he could have sought conflict and caused the death of thousands or hundreds of thousands in South Africa and that is extremely commendable but once you get past that I think there is much to not like about the man. Now, not knowing who he was may well be part of "what is wrong with the world" but I think there are better, more positive examples that could be used in the above comparison than Mandela.

True...just seems like this court is putting the cart before the horse so to speak...if same sex marriage isn't legal in Colorado then how can a bakery break the "law" by refusing to bake a wedding cake for a "wedding" that can't even happen legally???  ;)     P.S. It also seems as if this baker went out of his way to make a point...just as this so-called "couple" could have gone to another bakery, this bakery could probably have found a way to not make the wedding cake without bringing the sex of the "couple" into the equation. :whistle:

I have mixed feelings about this, frankly...if one chooses to open a business and serve the public but only wants to serve specific members of the public then maybe that person needs to reconsider whether they really want to be in business or not. On the other hand, I don't like a court/the state telling a private business who that business must serve.  :shrug:   What I don't understand with this situation is how can a court order this bakery to make a wedding cake for a same sex couple when, as far as I can tell, Colorado doesn't allow or recognize same sex marriages???

Actually, we don't know exactly what did happen and yes, cars do go out of control for many reasons including but absolutely not limited to driver error.  I was in a wreck this past April that totaled my car (a $50K sports car) and the another car (an POS Mercury) and put the woman driver who turned left in front of me in the hospital for over three weeks, over a week of that in ICU.  I was lucky enough to walk away with a few scratches and bruises but I if you look at my car you would wonder why anyone survived.   I guess that if I had died in that wreck some would say I had won the stupid prize too. :shrug:

When my mother passed this past May; that was emotional...when my uncle passed the week before Christmas last year (an uncle that was closer to me in both age and psychologically than my much younger brother); that was emotional.   Compared to who I've lost in the last 12 months Paul Walker's death is not emotional for me; I just don't see a problem with making note of the death of someone who seemed to be a good guy and I certainly don't see why some want to not just dismiss his death as unimportant but seem to want to denigrate him and his death.

For reasons I truly don't understand; there are some who seem to feel they need to make Paul Walker's death "less important" in (what I consider to be a misguided) an attempt to somehow make the death of one of our soldiers, veterans, first responders, etc. "more important". No one here and I do mean NO ONE HERE finds the death of any man (or woman) of honor such as our military, LEOs, firefighters, etc. to be a tremendous loss more than I do. Those who die in the service of others should be mourned and their lives honored and celebrated. However, that does not make the death of others unimportant or something to be denigrated if the person lived an honorable and worthwhile life.  I claim no personal knowledge of Paul Walker but what I do know indicates to me that he was one of the good guys, not because he had some celebrity bur perhaps, in spite of his celebrity.

Okay...let me be the devil's advocate here (of course many of you think that I AM the devil but I digress)...   I'm not defending this company if they are doing what TDR says they are doing. However, I can't help but wonder why drivers/other employees would continue to work for a company that treats them this way; especially when being a CDL qualified truck driver seems to be a profession that is in pretty high demand?   I suppose what I'm asking is...is there a point at which the blame starts to shift from the "bad company" to the employee that continues to work for them when he could go somewhere else and be treated right???

So, so happy that this story had a happy ending. I know you now have the aftermath to deal with but still...she is safe and home!  :) :) :)

You may be right bur I'm not sure it's so much a matter of people being conformists but perhaps it has more to do with one having to ask him/her self if today is a good day to die.   If they come for my guns this afternoon I have see three basic choices...   1. I can comply, lose my weapons but likely stay alive out of jail   2. I can refuse to comply but do nothing physical to resist, lose my weapons and likely go to jail, or   3. I can refuse to comply with force and likely die at which points losing my weapons becomes a moot point.   I don't see a single one of those choices as much of a "win" unless, perhaps, my death would elevate me to the status of a martyr and become a rallying point for more formal and forceful resistance. I suspect that the more likely outcome, however, would be that I'd just be buried and forgotten.   When they are standing on the door step how does one decide?   I'm not opposed to resistance, I'm not even opposed to "rebellion" but I think I do need at least believe that my resistance would have some meaning before I'm willing to die for it.

I don't know about the status of his eternal soul (which is all that really matters once we or he gets before God) nor do I know about the rest of his life but as far as the self-defense shooting of the thug Martin I'd say Zimmerman can stand before God with a clean conscious on that one.

Well of course...there are plenty of people who, even though they weren't there and even though there weren't the investigating officers or the chief of police or the DA (none of which wanted to indite and had to have shopped for replacements forced in by the state to bring charges) and even though there weren't on the jury and didn't hear all the facts at trial are absolutely convinced that Zimmerman is guilty as hell.   LOL

I keep either a G20 or a G21 in my nightstand with a few extra loaded mags (if it's not in my nightstand then it's because I'm carrying it) but frankly, my pistol is only a backup to my 12ga pump and my 5.56 rifle.   I'd suggest that the axiom of "largest caliber you feel comfortable with and can shoot effectively" and as many mags/ammunition as you can applies in all situations, nightstand or out and about in public.   You never know when several thugs may break in (or a zombie hoard). :)

I suspect the pain would be beyond what most of us can even imagine.  How many millions will die either directly from violence or from causes such as starvation, infections, lack of maintenance medications, etc?  One thing all the EOTWAWKI books have noted pretty well is how completely interconnected EVERYTHING is today; one break in the supply chain and everything falls apart.   This message conveyed in the old nursery rhyme has never been more true that it is today as an example of how interdependent we (we meaning most of the industrialized world) is...   For want of a nail the shoe was lost. For want of a shoe the horse was lost. For want of a horse the rider was lost. For want of a rider the message was lost. For want of a message the battle was lost. For want of a battle the kingdom was lost. And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.

  I don't know that there will be time for civil unrest or an outright revolt - as I've said many times in this forum (and I'm hardly the only one who thinks so or has said so); this country is heading for a total financial collapse and it only takes the failure of one card out of the house of cards built over the past 100 years to make it happen.   As was said above, food, ammunition and firearms...the staples of life is what matters because when the free stuff evaporates; it really will be the those who have vs those who don't.

Really? Well; they may have limits somewhere but they certainly haven't found them yet...this is, after all, the same NYC that just elected a self-identified socialist-communist as their mayor!  As with any location, I'm sure there are true conservatives in NYC but they are clearly outnumbered and ultimately powerless to do anything constructive.   Frankly, I don't give a s*** about NYC or the entire state for that matter...these people have the government they voted for and if the people are willing to get down on their hands and knees and take it without lubrication then that's their choice.

Yuup...not every rebellion must be an armed one the fed threatening or using force to get compliance will ultimately fail.

I suspect there is some sort of procedure/time frame they follow depending on the specific circumstances such as the age of the child and whether there is evidence of foul play vs a teenager who is simply "missing" (not to in any way belittle this situation). 

I know nothing I can say here can help and I can't imagine what you/your family are going through right now but do know I'll be praying for you and your daughter.

This is only a guess on my part but I suspect that their "logic" about not making Obamacare the main issue is because the establishment Republicans don't want to have to deal with Obamacare any more...they just want to accept Obamacare as a fact of life so they can get on with what is really important to them...enjoying being part of the elite ruling class!   If a lot of Republicans get elected next year based on the promise of stripping away Obamacare then these elite Republicans will be forced to deal with the issue again.

Is it even possible to make a FUNCTIONING  "plastic gun" that cannot be detected by X-ray?  A plastic/non-metal casing and components is one thing but what about the rest of the gun itself such as the barrel, firing pin, etc, etc.  I'm sure you could get by with non-metal parts for some of these components but all of them...I sort of doubt it.   I know there was one guy in the '80s who claimed he could do it but failed...then he popped up again around 2000 but still was never able to actually build an undetectable gun so, why do we need to ban something that doesn't exist?  It may happen someday but I'd be willing to bet we'll have phasers by then. LOL

Very true. Zimmerman may be a guilty as hell this time around or he may not but one thing is very clear, the race-baiters, anti-firearm loons and the bigots will continue to use Zimmerman as their poster boy to advance their agenda.   If God himself appeared to the world and declared Zimmerman's shooting of Martin to have been a righteous shoot, these haters still wouldn't change their mind or their methods because for them, it's not about facts...it's only and always about their agenda.