RobertNashville

So...you are discriminating against FNH long arms???  ;)

We've lost the public schools and I see no hope of ever regaining control...that's why we get idiocy like that shown in this story..   If you have school-age children today then the only way to ensure that they aren't indoctrinated into the progressive, everything is relative, America is bad mindset is to either home-school them or send then to a private school that does it right.

Well what do you know...color me NOT surprised.   I'm starting to think that Zimmerman's only real failing....where his intelligence may be rationally called into question, is with regards to the women he allows into his life.  If he made some better choices there we would probably never hear about him again. ;)

No, no one had said that activists were in the majority; I commented on them in reply to BigK's post (where he had mentioned the activists end of the homosexual crowd).   Basically I'm just wondering how this baker knew that this cake was for a same-sex marriage? I suppose I wonder because I wonder what this baker would do if a heterosexual couple walked in and wanted a cake to celebrate their "anniversary" of the fist time they slept together (cheating on their respective spouses) - I wonder if this baker refuse to bake their cake too??? Once you start discriminating based on someone's "sin"; it can get really complicated and taken to its logical conclusion, if a "Christian" owned business refused to do business with anyone who is/was "sinning", who exactly would be left for them to do business with???

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Do we know precisely when and how this baker knew he was being asked to make a wedding cake for a same-sex marriage?  Did they tell him...did he ask...did he just assume...I don't think we do, do we? I can't speak for this baker but from a few decades of experience I can attest to the unfortunate fact that many Christians most certainly do pick and chose which "sins" they take a stand against and which they will quietly let go on without a protest (or engage in themselves).   There certainly are homosexuals who are "in your face" activists but I would submit that such are no more the majority of homosexuals than are the white-supremacists and Westboro Baptist types who claim the banner of "Christian" are a representation of all Christianity.

Doesn't it work both ways?  People bringing their own particular religions (or lack of) world view into the mix will usually cause a problem; perhaps because "religion" and emotion are such close traveling companions. Then you throw individual interpretations of scripture into the mix and "muddy" doesn't even begin to describe what you wind up with!.

You make some excellent points. The baker does muddy the waters by using religion as the excuse for denying service.  There are many flavors of "Christianity", not to mention the plethora of other religions - when you start using your personal theology as a basis to deny service to someone it complicates the issue

I agree...I grew up about 50 miles from Dayton and used to visit it every year...haven't been there for a while and I need to do that!

The Chicago Museum of Science and Industry is a great one.  Every few years I head to DC and mostly for the Smithsonian museums; I usually reserve a day each for the two Air&Space facilities and a day for the Museum of American history and Natural History Museum. The zoo is a favorite stop as is Arlington National Cemetery, The Pentagon 911 memorial and Mount Vernon. Of course, I can't pass up the memorials either...Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, WW2, Vietnam and the others.  :)

Are you kidding???   That kind of thing happens here (and pretty much everywhere) all the time...people take one or two anecdotal incidents (often incidents that is based on double or triple hearsay if they happened at all), and come to set-in-stone conclusions based on those one or two incidents!  LOL

Seventy-two killed resisting gun confiscation in Boston!   Maybe this would be how it would go down??? http://fauquierfreecitizen.com/seventy-two-killed-resisting-gun-confiscation-in-boston/  

I loved it and that's why I wanted to share it here - I also happen to love it because it takes place in one of my favorite places in the country; the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum! :)

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/12/99867-u-s-air-force-band-goes-flash-mob-smithsonian-delight-visitors/

Why am I not surprised that a significantly modified weapon had malfunctions? The only thing you really need to change on a Glock pistol are the sites. After that maybe the magazine release and the slide release if the size of your hands dictates the need for such a change - any changes after that and you're really just looking for a place for a malfunction to happen. More to the point, for every anecdotal example of where a Glock malfunctioned I can likely easily find dozens of examples where some other style of weapon malfunctioned when it was needed the most. Anecdotal examples are horrible basis upon which to base an opinion. Can a 1911 or some other style pistol or revolver be extremely reliable and accurate? Of course they can. But 25 years of use and millions of rounds of ammunition expended have also proven the same to be true of Glock and similarly styled pistols.

I was just agreeing with someone else's observation because I thought the observation accurate - I don't see that it needs to be in perfect alignment with the "point of the thread" (and where one stands on this issue does not determine whether or not they are an "adult").

Well, you just going to have to disagree. Whether a business is a public entity or not, the point is that when a business opens its doors to the public and invites the public to use its services/products that business takes on certain responsibilities that it would not have otherwise. I don't see it as being any different than when a person buys a home in a large community compared to a person that buys that same home out of the country. When you choose to live in a community close to other people you take on more responsibility for your actions and how they impact others as compared to that which you would have living out in the country miles away from yourclosest neighbor. I would agree, I would rather see no requirements on any business of any kind - let them refuse service to anybody for any reason including the race, their sex, the color of their hair, or their nationality, or any other reason! However, that is not the world we live in or really, have ever lived in. No, there is really only one rule any business we need to follow that would solve all the problems; just treat each customer the same way they would like to be treated when they are accustomed. If they did that 99.9% of all the rules exist would not need to exist. However, as with most of the rules we have today that affect citizens the laws and rules we have been that affect businesses exist because businesses have proven that they won't follow that simple rule.

I suspect that is an accurate observation. Many here, perhaps even most here would be up in arms if the bakery refused service to some military person because he was in the military. It wouldn't even matter if they thought the bakery refusing service to military member was there "right" or not; they would be angry because of who service of been refused to.

Why would they not have that right? If as many have proposed hear a "private business" has a right to refuse service to anyone for any reason then they certainly would have the right to refuse service to a military service member wouldn't they?

I don't think I said otherwise did I ?

Well, I guess those are not the kinds of businesses we are talking about or that would have to deal with this kind of situation.

I'm not sure that "freedom of association" applies to a business; to a person, yes...a business; probably not. I know many, perhaps most here see no distinction between a "person" and a "business"; I do see a distinction.

Well, I guess most businesses open to make money...making money means they need customers to which to sell their product and customers are "the public".

Well, there are two problems here (at least) that I see.   One is that we really don't know with certainty if a homosexual is "born that way" or simply chooses to be that way (and it's probably even more complicated than that meaning that some probably are born that way while for some it's simply a choice).   The other major problem is the government in that government shouldn't ever have involved itself in the "marriage" thing in the first place. If there weren't "marriage laws" and favorable tax (and other benefit) treatments based on whether one is married or not a whole lot of this problem would not exist in the first place. I guess where I start to have a problem with this mess is the concept of a "private business"...I'm still leaning toward the position that when you open your doors to the public you take on certain responsibilities; some of which may be contrary to your personal, private beliefs/policies and we (as a country) have a very long history of government placing requirements on businesses predicated at least partially on the concept that a business is a public entity (regardless of who "owns" it).

The attack on Pearl Harbor is one of those events that has captured my attention since about the third grade when I started reading a lot of non-fiction about submarines and the submarine war in the Pacific...I remember the Sunfish! My dad was in the other theater of operations, a tank driver in Patton's Third Army and I'm still amazed at what he and the Third Army and truly, all our WW2 veterans (and civilians for that matter) did in the cause of freedom.  I went a different route (Navy) but I think my Dad forgave me :) ).   One of my best friends, First Sgt MP just arrived in Hawaii on the 4th with his wife and one year old daughter for a three year tour there before he retires...I'm planning on visiting them while they are there and am looking forward to seeing Pearl Harbor with my own eyes.