RobertNashville

I've been an annual member for many years and overall believe it's a worthwhile organization and worthy of support. I've considered upgrading my membership but have two concerns... 1. I support (with my $$$) a number of "pro-Second Amendment) organizations and have only so much money I can donate to such organizations. 2. I am less than enthusiastic about how NRA spends some of its money and resources and, based on item 1, above, am not at all sure that the NRA is an organization to which I should direct any more of my resources than I already do!

<o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"></o:smarttagtype><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"></o:smarttagtype><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:PunctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w:DontGrowAutofit/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if !mso]><object classid="clsid:38481807-CA0E-42D2-BF39-B33AF135CC4D" id=ieooui></object> <style> st1\:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) } </style> <![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0pt 5.4pt 0pt 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0pt; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]--><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"></o:smarttagtype><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"></o:smarttagtype><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:PunctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w:DontGrowAutofit/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if !mso]><object classid="clsid:38481807-CA0E-42D2-BF39-B33AF135CC4D" id=ieooui></object> <style> st1\:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) } </style> <![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0pt 5.4pt 0pt 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0pt; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]--> If this is “old news†I apologize; I did a quick for this story on the forum and didn’t find anything and if it hasn’t been posted I think it should be. <o></o> Here is a link to the local new channel story: <o></o> No Guns Allowed, or Are They? : WTVC NewsChannel 9: Chattanooga News, Weather, Radar, Sports, Lottery <o></o> While the complete chain of events aren’t clear, it appears that this patron (Mr. O’Brien) was watching or attempting to watch a movie at the Majestic 12 theater in <st1:city w:st="on"><st1>Chattanooga</st1></st1:city> with his family and he was openly carrying his weapon. <o></o> The theater was not posted. One or more other patrons complained (apparently felt uncomfortable) with the visible weapon. <o></o> It appears that the theater manager asked the patron to conceal his weapon; he refused and was then asked to leave at which pint an off-duty deputy (alleged deputy anyway) told the patron he could either leave or be arrested for trespassing. <o></o> My thoughts are this… <o></o> If the theater didn’t want weapons in its property it should have been posted. Since it was not, Mr. O’Brien had every right to carry open or concealed in the theater. Obviously the theater manager doesn't understand the HCP law in Tennessee. However, once O'Brien was asked to conceal the weapon or leave his only option at that point was to comply or leave or he would have been guilty of criminal trespass. <o></o> The alleged “deputy†should have properly identified himself. Essentially, I believe there is a lot of blame to go around here. <o></o> While I've only had my permit for a short while, I've never carried openly and have no plans to do so...I simply see no good reason to advertise to any/everyone that I have a weapon on me. Further, given the feelings of many people toward guns, it seems more prudent to me to not openly carry and possibly force an unnecessary confrontation or incident like the one in this story... in my opinion, incidents like the one in this story ultimately only hurt, not help, our cause.

Point taken but I was posting here primarily because I haven't done any clay shooting since moving to TN (except on private property) and wasn't sure where it might be possible to organize an event like this; thus I am looking for some expertise from the local "gun community". I did post a generic message on my club forum to gauge interest but it's difficult to know who might actually come until I have some details to share. That said, what someone drives is not that important...while I may organize this for "my club" I think a love/appreciation for cars doesn't need to be limited to one nameplate; likewise an appreciation for the shooting sports. My club revolves around the Nissan "Z" (from the 240Z through today's 370Z) but we generally get alone with everyone!

You might be surprised!

That's great news...I generally stay near Reagan National for a bit less money but this is a great deal to be sure.

Actually, I didn't mention what brand of sports car my group is involved in but we would probably let you come no matter what you drive. Seriously, I might well turn this into a general "car guys (and girls)" activity rather than just my club anyway so long as we don't get in to any fights about what model of car is "best"!

Thanks...both sound like good suggestions!

I want to organize a shotgun/clay event! Gentlemen (and ladies as well), I’m looking for some recommendations that I hope someone here can help me with. One of my passions is sports cars…specifically, I’m very involved in a group here in Nashville dedicated to one particular brand of sports car and I am interested in organizing an activity for us that would likely include a short, fun drive in the mid-morning and then spending most of the rest of the day clay target shooting…this would likely be a relatively small group - how many is difficult to say but let’s assume in the range of 10-15 (we can limit the size if need be). All levels of shotgun experience should be expected - I suspect very little experience with shooting clay targets. Likewise, some of these folks will have their own shotguns they can and would want to use but I’m also sure that others don’t have any at all and would either need to borrow other member’s shotguns and/or rent them from whatever range we use (if that’s even possible). I would like to include some basic firearms safety instruction as well as, perhaps, some basic instructions on shooting clay targets. With regards to the actual shooting, I’m not really looking for full-fledged “trap” or “skeet” shooting; just something basic with the shooter standing in one spot. Although I’m planning on doing some real clay shooting myself this year, I haven’t really done any of that in this area except on private property…so, I’m looking for a location in the Middle Tennessee area (or at least somewhere within a reasonable drive of Nashville) where we can do this. We would be looking at doing this likely on a Saturday (or possibly a Sunday) and sometime in mid to latte march, or April or even very early in May (after about mid-May our guys are usually pretty busy with cruises, car shows, etc. that are already planned). With that said, if necessary, we could even push this into early fall. If anyone has any recommendations on ranges, or who to contact to arrange something like this I’d very much appreciate it. This is very much in the “early stages” of development so I’m very open to suggestions about how to make this happen so if you have any and/or if you need any more information, pleas feel free to ask. Thanks in advance for any help!

I went to the show on Sunday afternoon (quite a crowd there)...having gone to the show the prior weekend at the Fairgrounds in Nashville I thought this show was at least as good if not better. I didn't buy anything but then I wasn't really looking for anything in particular...then again I did find a fellow selling a number of very nice shotguns (including several Brownings) that were in excellent condition and something I am in the market for (just not quite yet ready to buy). All in all, I thought the show was fine.

I just wanted to add my $0.02 here. While my schedule could change, I am planning to attend the march in Washington on April 19th and given the current administration, I can't think of a time in my lifetime (which is getting to be quite a stretch of years at this point!) when showing our support for our eroding Second Amendment rights could be more important. I really, really, really, want to encourage you to attend if there is anyway possible...our rights to own and carry firearms is tenuous at best...please be there. I'm hopeful that we can get a caravan together to leave from the Nashville area and perhaps have a couple of stops along the way to pick up people as we go...I'm planning on making the trip to DC on the Sunday prior to the march so if anyone wants to join up with me feel free to PM me here. I realize that not everyone can simple go to DC for a march and I don't mean to step on any toes here but DON'T COUNT ON SOMEONE ELSE SHOWING UP FOR YOU...IF YOU VALUE YOUR FIREARMS AND YOUR RIGHTS THEN BE THERE.

I've always loved this picture as well and remember it well from my grade school history books (I wonder if they still include it today?). This particular artist is especially meaningful to me - I grew up in Fayette county Ohio and the county court house contains three murals painted by Mr. Willard (The Ohio Channel : Your State : Remarkable Ohio : Marker Details ). I remember touring our court house as a small boy and looking at those murals...knowing the artist had also painted the "Spirit of '76" was always a bit of pride for me.

Pretty sobering article and the audio is even more so... It reminds why we prepare...and reminds us that taking a life, even when necessary and justified, isn't something to be done lightly. Oklahoma Woman Shoots, Kills Home Intruder While On Phone With 911

Sorry ya'all...I didn't intend to post something that's been beaten to death...when I saw it on Military.com it was truly the first time I'd run across it.

I think you'll enjoy this video (from Military.com)! I LIKE GUNS

I doubt that anyone, short of someone working in that office, really knows the answer to that question (and I suspect that those that work in that office are probably forbidden to discuss such things in an internet forum). Based on what I was told while waiting for my HCP as well as what others have related here in the forum, it does sound as if they've been processing a lot more permit requests than normal plus, I was also told that for renewals, they are have recently been required to do a lot more work before they can renew a permit (as compared to before) which has also impacted their workload. Now...I'm not trying to make excuses for them...they have a statutory obligation to meet and it's up to them to meet it but I will say that when I called I was treated well and I don't believe they every lied to me or simply offered excuses. I would try to be patient but I would also suggest that if they do take longer than 90 days without just cause I would contact your State Senator and/or Representative and get them involved.

Well...I wasn't raised here; I grew up in Ohio then lived in many places while in the Navy before returning to Ohio for a few years...I was back in Ohio for a while and then decided to live in Tennessee and I've never regretted it. I've nothing against Florida - I go there quite frequently and have family there...it's just never been a place I wanted to live. I agree that those doing the background checks probably are overworked...I had far fewer problems with my HCP overall than I did with the gun purchase that was denied...I'm still hot about that level of stupidity and incompetence and moreover, the outright rudeness from those most of those I spoke with at TCIS.

Florida is a nice place to visit but I have to say, I have no desire to live there. That said, I'm almost ashamed to have vented about my little problems...compared to what you've had to go through mine seem incredibly minor! EDIT: After involving State Senator Bill Ketron; I was (today) able to complete the purchase I was denied on December 7th...it's a shame that folks have to get State Senators/Representatives involved simply to get TCIS to DO THEIR JOB! That said, I now have received my HCP and completed the firearms transaction I was denied for bogus reasons.

Just to update; I received my HCP in TODAY'S MAIL so my wait is finally over!!!

I feel your pain (I'm still waiting as well but hope that will be over soon) but unless you have good reason to think they are jerking your around I would encourage you to be patient and, when you call, try to be as polite as possible. I have nothing but "hearsay" to support my assumption but I suspect all of us that are waiting are simply caught in the middle of too much work and too few staff to handle all the original and renewal permits they are dealing with.

This is a course I am very interested in (and need)...April will be here before you know it!

I'm not completely sure about Tennessee law but in most states, an autopsy is required by law in every case where the death is not already known to be of natural causes and/or where a crime was involved.

Well, if Lisa is good to her word 12-14 "business days" could be as late as December 29th for you and as late as about January 5th for me...they seemed pretty straight forward with me so I'm willing to give them the full amount of time before I start considering any other action. I know waiting is irritating; especially when the "problem" shouldn't even be a problem in the first place but sometimes all we can do is let things play out naturally. Now...if they keep to their timetable with the appeal of my purchase denial I should be hearing something on Monday but I'm not holding my breath!

I love the 100MM and have ever since it came out (by the way there is a great article on the 10MM in N0. 74 Custom Combat Handguns you might want to pick up). I had a Colt Double Eagle 10MM and even withe a couple of shortcomings, I loved the gun and have always regretted selling it. While I only own 45ACP pistols right now I expect that my next handgun purchase is going to be a 10MM; likely either a Cold Delta Elite or a Kimber for me...if I was going to carry one for hunting, for example, I'd probably go with a Glock but otherwise Glock would not be on the top of my list. I hear what people are saying about the ammo yet I know plenty of people who have 10MMs and they seem to find ammo whenever they want it so I'm not so sure it's really that much of a problem. I hope that helps some. Oh and if you buy a good one and decide you don't like it just look me up!

Well, it looks as if the "carry permit" part of my sob story may be coming to an end! I emailed to ask about the status of my permit application this morning and by this afternoon, I had a reply saying all my paperwork was in order and that I should be receiving my permit in 12-14 business days. Hopefully I'll be able to clear up my purchase denial soon as well.

I'm glad I was there on Saturday and I'm looking forward to the next one!