RobertNashville

I truly hope that I never have to kill anyone. I WILL kill if I must to protect my own life or the live of another innocent. I will NOT kill someone over a piece of property whether the law allows me to do so or not.

There have been times I've disagreed with FallGuy but even when he's pointed out the error of my thinking I've never felt for a moment that he was coming across or trying to coming across as "superior". Direct...yes. Sometimes irritatingly direct...yes. But not in a condescending way.

^^^ Bovine Scatology of the purest kind. We all "grasped the concept" just fine and there had been pge after page of intelligent discussion about the topic...you just can't grasp the concept that intelligent discussion doesn't mean everybody agrees with you. Why don't you do something useful and start another parking lot thread??? ROTFLMAO

I think you don't understand the concept of compensation or think compensation is limited to the $$$ in a paycheck...it is not. Your compenstaion as an employee; ALL your compensation is based on your worth to the employer. Your employer, unless he's an idiot, doesn't "give" you anything - whatever an employer pays you or pays someone on your behalf (pension, health care insurance, life insurance, company cars, whatever) is YOURS...it's compensation YOU'VE EARNED and are entitled to because of the skills and knowledge and abilities YOU bring to the table. If you have a salary of $100K/year and a benefits package that adds another 35% then YOUR compensation that you've earned is $135,000/year...that's YOUR money whether you see it in a paycheck or or it gets sent to the federal government or Blue Cross/Blue Shield including the 15% of your income your employer has to send to SS/Medicare. That 15% for SS/Medicare is NOT different than any other tax your employer has to collect and send to Uncle Sam...it's ALL your money; your employer just isn't allowed to give it to you. ALL of that money would go to you because YOU are still offering the same skill-set and still worth the same amount of money to your employer whether he is giving that 15% directly to you or sending it, on your behalf, to the federal government. This lie that the employer "pays" 7.5% is just that, a lie used to convince the uninformed that they are getting something for nothing...just like the lie that businesses/corporations actually pay taxes...trust me...they don't pay a penny that they haven't first collected from YOU and anyone else who buys their products/services.

Actually...DRM doesn't (per his own words) open carry; apparently, he just had nothing better to do one day than start another pointless thread about OC vs CC.

Sorry...you're wrong...the 7.5% my "employer" pays is also MY MONEY (it's your money your "employer pays" too if you work as an employee and receive a W-2). Or do you think corporations pay taxes too?

I go to the Murfreesboro cruise in at least a few times every year as well as the Belevue Cruise-in (M'boro is much larger/better I think). The Murfreesboro cruise-in is held at the new Avenue shopping center (at least I assume it will be back there this year). Another great event, especially for "older" American Muscle is the Somernights cruise held every month in Somerset, Ky...the PowerCruise which they do once a year to get to Somerset is a really awesome experience.

Limiting size of governments...that's great...getting rid of "entitlements"...no argument form me...taxes are to damn high...absolutely correct (and by the way everyone pays 15% into SS/Medicare; not just the self-employed). There are no good solutions...fine...then what bad solution do you think we should go with...what do we actually DO with SS right now? I can't find a real clear answer to that question in your post. I say the only moral thing to do is to transition into a largely private (although likely government mandated) 401(K) type of retirement system. There would have to be a determination of a specific age so that those who are already on SS or are "close" to SS retirement don't just have the run pulled out from under them...yes, that means that everyone currently working is going to get screwed some and some will get screwed worse than others. I'm getting the impression that you don't like that "transition" approach??? But if you aren't for a transition approach; what IS your answer to the problem? Do we cut everyone off right now...completely and just declare the program dead? If we do the "cut it off cold turkey" approach are you ready for the consequences of that? Are your parents or grandparents (if they are alive) living on solely or significantly dependent on SS/medicare to live? If so, are you willing to have them all (your and your spouse's as well assuming you are married) move in with you so you can take care of them until they pass? If you just end SS than those are the kind of choices people in their 20s and 30s and 40s are going to have to make. And I suppose those on SS/in nursing homes receiving full-time care that never had children and have no close family just get dumped in the street because they have no one to move in with. This is a firearms related forum and I suspect that most of us here believe in liberty, freedom, and personal responsibility (including being wise with our finances and preparing for the future)...if so and if WE can't even get in the same ball-park on an issue like SS/Medicare (and related government entitlement programs) then I can't help but wonder how the hell we can expect a bunch of politicians to ever deal with the problems.

All you "car" guys need to come out for the sprig cruise and pigeon shoot (see my sig)...it's not just for Nissan Zs and we have a LOT of fun trying to shoot those damn clay pigeons. We had a couple of people from TGO last year. I promise that while leading the cruise I'll go slow enough so all of your old vehicles can keep up

OIC (said the blind man)

Hell...why waste even soylent green on old folks; that costs money we don't have. Better to just let them die of starvation and decrease the surplus population.

Did you miss the part where I said in BIG LETTERS that EVERYONE is going to have to give some??? How can your read that and come up with me claiming that I need to be made whole??? You keep throwing figures around...first it was 50-55% and now it 30%...and then you and the generation behind you will be slaves??? Really??? Do you KNOW that we can't transition to a different, private system while maintaining SS for those on it or close to it or are you just assuming that it can't be done? Pardon me for saying so but I suspect you are just throwing around percentages to support your position without really having any substantive facts that make the percentages realistic. If transitioning to a privatized system where everyone caught in the middle of the transition gets screwed some is impossible you feel it will cost you too much, what is your solution? Do we just cut everyone off right now...both those on it and those not yet on SS? We could have the SSA mail out one last check to those already receiving benefits and include a note that says "that's it...you're on your own".

Truly mentally ill people buying firearms who are buying them with the intent of committing murder IS a problem. Unfortunately, I see no easy solution to the problem that doesn't infringe on the rights of those who aren't the problem. The only answer I see that makes sense and doesn't violate anyone's rights is for law-abiding citizens to carry arms for their own protection and the protection of others so that these murderous events can be stopped as quickly and with as few innocent casualties as possible. It's regrettable that a truly mentally ill person should have to be killed - that we can't find a better way; but much more regrettable is the death of many totally innocent people.

BROKE by Glenn Beck is an excellent book to read. Defense spending can't be off the table; not when we have an annual deficit of WELL over a trillion dollars (although we do need to be careful about what gets cut). I can't disagree more with your comment concerning SS. Limiting SS to "need" encourages people to do exactly the opposite of what we should want people to do...those who have not spent every penny they've earned and built a decent net worth should not be punished with lower SS that someone who has set around on the ass all their life and/or spent every penny they've ever earned.

Getting back more than you put is should be the norm, not the exception. IMAHO Of course I'm saying that based on what SS was supposed to be rather than what it is...politics and hype aside, it was essentially be a mandatory savings account and even a lowly savings account should give some return on your money.

I sort of figured that one scope for two very different rifles would probably not work. I probably prefer a Trijicon ACOG for the SCAR if I'm going to buy something dedicated to that platform but I may have to want t couple of months before I spring for a good scope for the Browning!

I don't believe I offered any "math" in my prior statement; working or otherwise. Moreover, I didn't offer specific details, mathematical or otherwise...there will have to be a phase out of the current SS system and a phase in of something to replace it...everyone...EVERYONE...will have to "give some" but no one should be required to "give all". I think we need to keep in mind that SS isn't just a matter of "government promises" being made - the government has taken nearly around/near 15% of my pay for decades, depriving me and those like me with the opportunity to have saved that money for ourselves. I'm not saying that as an excuse for not saving at all but I could have easily been a millionaire with just what SS has taken form me had I never saved another penny on my own. For the government to now, effectively say, "screw you baby-boomers" is pretty abhorrent. People at or near retirement age aren't just "owed" their benefits because of the promises made...they need them because what they've paid in wasn't available for them to save for themselves.

I have a FN SCAR (light) which currently has no optics on it at all and I am buying a Browning A-Bolt 300 Win-Mag also sans optics. Although I could possibly change my mind, I don't currently plan to do any hunting with the Browning - both it and the SCAR are really just for the fun of shooting (and hopefully with some skilled marksmanship). I'd like to mount a good scope and hopefully one that would work well on either platform. My primary question is whether it's silly to expect one scope to work well on both platforms and/or if I need a scope specific to each? The type of scope I'm thinking of would be a "traditional" type of riflescope style and likely a 3x9x40 configuration. I'm looking primairily at Luepold and Trijicon and leanign toward Trijicon although I'm open to sugestions. Any thoughts, suggestions (especially from those experienced with such scopes) would be appreciated. Thanks!!!

Respectfully, I disagree - "freedom of Speech" is not a guarantee of either a platform (place) from which to speak nor an audience to hear what you have to say. Cities, counties, states, etc. can place reasonable reasonable restrictions on such things as public demonstrations - such restrictions are necessary and for the overall benefit of society. Maybe Wyattearp's are too restrictive (I don't think so) but I see nothing wrong with the overall concept he proposes.

Aren't background checks supposed to solve the problems of criminals getting guns? Do robberies of gun stores not present a "gun store loophole"?

Puerile responses (such as in post 121) are not an effective substitute for substantive discussion. EDIT: While you and I are obviously never going agree on "unions", I'm sure we would agree on many other issues...sorry if I offended you in any way.

Here is the link: Tennessee Region Sports Car Club of America : home : 2010 Just take a look at the events schedule tab - all the events for 2011 area already there...just pick a Sunday when you think you can come up and I'll try to meet up with you. Most events are on the parking lot at the Nashville Superspeedway - they are long and usually fast courses.

^ Really intelligent response. When it comes to unions, 6.8AR probably said it best... "You work for who pays your paycheck. If you don't like the arrangement between you and your employer, find another job". That pretty well sums up free enterprise as well as personal liberty and responsibility and precisely what a union, whether purposely or unintentionally, will ultimately undermine.

You are free to your opinion, even thought it's wrong and assuming you know anything about me or my family and how we have or haven't benefited from unions is what is truly a bunch of crap IMHO. Businesses have "free reign" only so long as their employees are willing to put up with it and if employees are willing to put up with it then they deserve exactly what they get.

It needs all that tq to move all that weight around =-but I'd be surprised (maybe unpleasantly surprised) if it could best the Z 0-60 which is in the 4.7 second range I don't think the SCCA in Memphis does much autocrossing...in Nashville we have two a month on average.