RobertNashville

I hope you didn't take it the wrong way but when discussion legal issues, the words used are important.

Me too...all the above.

Lobbyist for major businesses are not going to back down and the only thing we can do to get a parking lot bill passed is to keep putting pressure on these wimpy Republicans and remind them why there are there and who put them there (and then be willing to follow-up in coming months with our money and our time to get better candidates running so we can get more of the RINOs out).

Unless someone is presently under indictment that simply isn't correct as I read the law - a conviction for domestic violence or stalking disqualifies you for an HCP; not simply having been charged.

I use them in all my vehicles and have for years. Whether they do increase HP or MPG is an open question and likely an unanswerable one since so many variables affect both measurements and very, very few people are ever going to go to the trouble and expense of controlled measurements on a dyno for before and after comparisons! I also doubt that anyone is going to really be able to tall a difference in a couple of HP just based on the seat of their pants. That said, they last virtually forever and I believe do a better job of doing what an air filter is supposed without unnecessarily restricting airflow - that alone is enough for me to continue using them!

Seems to me that this is an example of what is wrong with the HCP process and why, perhaps, we need what is commonly called "constitutional carry" in Tennessee in addition to (not a replacement of) the HCP proecess. It shouldn't be up to one DA to effectively suspend and HCP forever and frankly, if someone is otherwise eligible to own a handgun (and as far as I know, these charges would not prevent that) then it should be equally okay to carry a handgun. I suppose there should be some exceptions but someone who has made a mistake and has "paid his due" shouldn't have to lose a right forever just because of one person's (this ADA) opinion. Just my $0.02

I hear you but it's difficult to make your displeasure heard when they simply ignore you. For example; I posted on Ron Ramsey's facebook page yesterday my disappointment with the bill that would allow faculty/staff, etc carry on the campus of state universities...several "liked" my post and posted follow-up comments of their own...rather than even attempt to explain, he simple deleted the comments. I've had very similar responses to emails with one notable exception. I don't have time to go the state house every time a bill is up for discussion or a vote or to visit officers in person (not if I want to keep eating, anyway)...all I can do is what I've been doing and attend rallies and vote. However, it's difficult not to get discouraged and just say to hell with it (and them) all.

Humm...seems like a lot of folks here are willing to throw an HCP holder under the bus while knowing virtually none of the details of what happened.

The last thing most of these turkeys want is to have to go on the record with an actual vote - regardless of the political spectrum someone sits on, why is it that it's mostly cowards and lairs that run for office?

After meeting both and while McWherter seemed like a genuinely nice guy, there was no question in my mind when I voted nor is there now that Haslam was by far the best candidate. That said, anyone who didn't realize how "soft" he is and will continue to be on firearm issues simply wasn't paying attention. As such, his stand on the bill, while I wish it were otherwise, is not all the disappointing and certainly not surprising. Lt. Governor Ramsey, on the other hand is a severe disappointment and, for what it's worth, I've already told him so. He has both painted himself as pro-firearms and up until now, has been pretty consistent in his support...what happened now with this legislation was a shock for me. Republicans have been saying for decades that things would change if there were ever given control in Tennessee but I didn't know that the changes they were talking about was a big yellow streak down their backside.

The news story certainly painted this as if the fellow pulled his gun inappropriately but if I’m an older man and some much younger, in shape guy starts shoving me I might do the same thing…we don’t know what this irate husband might have said during this altercation and/or whether the man was legitimately in fear for his life or sever harm. Certainly no one should un-holster their weapon without justification to do so and if this guy did that then yeah, it reflects poorly on all HCP holders. On the other hand, expecting a complete story from the news is a fool’s errand.

The BB software used here only allows for reporting "a" post. That you don't see a need for your involvement is fine - however, while I certainly believe that I went too far there is no "one post" that shows that....I'm not trying to encourage you to censure me; just saying. While I understand that no one wants to read the whole thread; I see no other way for anyone to get an accurate picture of what has transpired without doing so which seems to me to make the idea of "reporting" somewhat moot except in cases where one post went completely out of control.

It's my understanding (and I don't have time to confirm at the moment) that in at least some states, you do not need any special permit to carry in a vehicle provided the weapon stays in the vehicle - this may or may not be related to how they treat a person's vehicle (i.e. as a full-fledged extension of the person's home) - I know that's not true here but perhaps it should be! I do think that it is, at best, disingenuous of employers who want to extend almost absolute control the contents of a vehicle while concurrently wanting NONE of the responsibility for those contents should the contents proves to be illegal or dangerous or embarrassing. I understand that as the law stands now, that is precisely how it is but it still seems patently unfair to me; it's always been my belief that with authority and control also comes responsibility but I guess that's asking to much of the UPS's and FedEx's of the world.

I took it too far and I know it and I apologized for doing so a few posts ago and do so again. I also "reported" both myself and stickj for what has transpired in this thread...and any outcome from that is now in David's (or whoever gets such reports) hands. While I'm trying to stay optimistic I see no hope for this bill this year and as has already been said, it has ZERO to do with "property rights" and everything to do with MONEY and INFLUENCE.

One of the ways I carry my backup weapon is in a case designed to pass as a day planner (I've found I can carry it anywhere without raising any suspicions or even noticed by others)...perhaps my default around the house should be to simply have that with me wherever I happen to be. While I'm not opposed to carrying in a holster at home, I'm not sure I want to go that route just yet! I may change my mind as time goes buy, however...now that I've gotten in the habit of carrying everywhere I can outside of home, it's become almost as much a part of my daily routine as putting my wallet in my pocket and putting on my watch.

Understood but I guess I should say that each morning, all my weapons go back into the safe for while I'm gone! My home is not large and all one floor...there is usually no weapons in my bedroom until I retire there for the night. The other rooms I most frequently occupy while inside is the kitchen, living room and my office. I generally have one firearm with me (within a couple of inches) when I'm in the kitchen or living room (the division between the two is more philosophical than physical); only the one in my office is in any way "unattended" when I'm not in the room but unless someone knows where to look within the first few seconds of a break in (which will instantly set off the alarm) I doubt they would ever see it. Maybe actually "carrying" is a preferable way to go...I suspect I'd be more likely to do that if I came home at the end of the day already carrying but as I noted above, I don't do that because I can't do that.

That to me is the primary question here...not "2nd Amendment rights" or "self defense rights" but rather, an issue of private property. Based on my reading, I believe it correct to say that some states specifically and fully extend the concept of "private property" to such things as the interior of vehicles regardless of where they are parked and that no one, including an employer, can compel a search of such "private property"; it can only be searched under the same conditions that a person's home can be searched (meaning only by law enforcement and only with justification [i.e. a legitimate belief that there is something "illegal" inside]). I agree with you, there is no law in Tennessee that answers the question and perhaps, that is the discussion that the legislature should be having - part of the problem with all the "parking lot" bills proposed to date is that they only approach it as a "firearms" issue and I don't believe it either needs to be or even should be.

Am I being paranoid or am I acting reasonably? I’ve owed at least one personal firearm for virtually my entire adult life and for that matter, my Dad went with me when I bought “my†fist shotgun when I was 12 (a single shot, Savage 12ga…up ‘till then I had been using a 410!). I bought my first 1911 45 in 1975. Obviously, this was all long before my home state or most states had any sort of carry permit process or “officially†allowed citizens to walk around with a firearm on their hip. Anyway, for all the time that I’ve had a home of my own, I’ve always had a handgun or shotgun “handyâ€. However, over the last few years, I’ve gone from having “a†handgun handy to having one or more in each room and generally within easy reaching distance from wherever I happen to be at any given moment (by the way, no children in the house and when I have guests over, I handle things differently). Since I can’t carry to/from work (due to employer parking lot restrictions), part of my daily routine is to get some of my “defensive†firearms out of the safe when I get home. Also, except for times when it simply isn’t practical at all, my alarm system is always on and my dog is pretty good at providing “early warning†whenever anyone (or any rabbits) are around! So…I’m wondering; am I being paranoid here or not paranoid enough? What do you do? Do you actually “carry†a weapon on you even at home or do you have then in strategic locations around the house? I’d be interested in hearing what some of you do…what you’ve found works, etc.

It's my understanding that a business can allow its employees to be armed but deny firearms in their business for customers...that may seem a little odd but I think I can see their reasoning even though I don't agree with it. Of course, openly carrying with a stupid "HCP BADGE" around your neck seems the most odd of all...the badge does nothing but draw attention - he might as well have a sign hanging around his neck that says "shoot me first"...couple that with the store being an otherwise "gun free zone" and the bad buy will know that all he as to worry about as threats are the employees with the HCP badges.

I think the thing that should be remembered is that it is never wise to consent to any search or to volunteer information to LE. That said, this phone issue is troubling but devices to know exactly were you vehicle has been including date and time of day, etc is even more troubling to me - our laws are woefully behind technology. Just look at crime of "identity theft"; something almost impossible (or at least difficult) to do not all that long ago but now anyone with a smattering of knowledge and the will to do it can "pretend" to be you and cause you problems that are almost impossible to imagine. This problem exists because of so much "public information" not just available but available online to almost anyone anywhere then added to the mix are lenders/businesses that are so eager to "sell" you their product that they'll do it all online all based on electrons! If they find out later that it wasn't you it's will just be "oops; I'm sorry...then ten years later you have scumbag collectors harassing you to collect the "debts" your ID thief ran up in your name. Living off the grid (and I don't mean electric grid) seems like a better idea every day.

Getting charges dropped and record cleared after 6 months is not unusual; especially for a first offense and if the charge carries some serious fines, points, etc...most of the time this is called "diversion". Courts only accepting cash (and I suspect a money order would have been equally acceptable) is also not unusual, at least that's been my experience in Tennessee. As to the other...you've got part of the story at best...who showed up in court probably represents only a modest percentage of those charged with speeding and similar violations scheduled for court on that date. Even if there was some sort of profiling going on which seems to be what you are thinking, so what? If the people charged with the violations were committing the violations they were charged with then they should have been charged; age/race/sex/national origin/religion doesn't and shouldn't matter should it???

I'm not sure what you are getting at as being "strange"? Are you suggesting that most of those charged with speeding violations were pulled over because they were women and someone young? Or, is it their policy on accepting only cash? Or the fact that her record will be cleared after 6 months w/o further tickets?

There are ways to approach the system and bring positive change without bashing your head against a brick wall...this fellow seems to have chosen bashing head method and in the end, helped neither himself or the firearms community. In the end, just because something may be "legal" to do doesn't mean it should be done and discretion is usually a good thing.

I had an HK45 for just under a year; traded it just a short time ago...it's a fabulous gun but I came to realize that I was unlikely to carry it and it just wasn't one I wanted to leave in the safe. I suspect you'll be happy with it!

Why don't you try proving me wrong? I think you are confused and believe that just because YOU say something it's right and that's all the proof you need. "Dude" me all you want (actually, anytime someone stars out a sentence addressing anyone as "Dude" I assume that anything they have to say is pretty unimportant, at best) but this isn't the first instance in this thread where you attributed words to me that I never uttered then went on (and sometimes on and on) to explain how I'm wrong...even if it's an accident (and I assumed it was) it gets pretty damn tiring after a while (especially when you said, I believe two different times, that you were done with the thread - that was probably 20 or 30 posts ago). You've made your position VERY clear...I think you are wrong and I'm not the only one who thinks so...but right or wrong, no one here is going to change their mind. This thread was started to discuss the status of the bill; not debate, once again whether it should or shouldn't be passed (and yes, I know I'm at least as guilty as anyone here and I apoligize to all for letting myself be goaded into doing so again). Why don't you concentrate on contacting and put pressure your legislators to express your position; let us do the same to promote our position but let those of us who want to know that status have a thread were we can do that without someone wanting to tell us how wrong we are...how we don't understand the laws...how we don't understand business and how we don't understand rights. Assuming you are unlikely to let us do that, I'm done with this thread. Have a nice day.l