RobertNashville

Did anyone say otherwise? Is there some reason why you want to discuss a point that no on disagrees with? There may be a few members here on TGO who don't but I suspect most people who frequent this forum understand what the U.S. Constitution says and what it means with regards to the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms but there is what the Constitution says and then there are the laws we MUST live under today, both Federal laws and the laws here in Tennessee. As I said before, the Tennessee Constitution has granted the authority to the legislature to regulate the wearing of arms and they have so regulated. Until the law in Tennessee is changed, I do not have the legal authority or the "right" to carry a firearm on my person in public without a permit, issued by the state, that says I can do so...further, my permit can be withdrawn; perhaps not necessarily on a "whim" but it can certainly be withdrawn (as as one of our HCP holders found out not too long ago). That regulation effectively makes my "going armed" a privilege whether you want to call it that or not and whether it should be or not...that is not "liberal thinking", at least not on my part...that's just the way it is.

For me, I have two doors on both entry doors and the door I don't have to open, while not nearly as substantial as my completely metal primary door is still a barrier...no one is going to just walk through the outer door (not without a significant likelihood of serious injury, anyway). That said, when I might open the primary door to someone is going to depend on several factors, including... 1. Time of day 2. Whether I know them/are they a neighbor, and mostly; 3. My gut feeling about the situation...hard to describe or put into words but a very real part of the process, for me anyway. I'm not willing to totally give up on society and assume that everyone is a threat - if I were, I doubt I'd ever leave my home and go out in public at all. I try to be situationalally aware...I have taken and are taking training to help me in that regard as well as training on what to do when bad things happen anyway...I know that there are thugs out there and that some of them are probably young, attractive girls. However, as bad as some people are...as much of a threat as some people are; most people are decent folks and if one of them knocks on my front door, needs help and I can help; I probably will. Maybe that will get me killed some day but so be it.

I'm glad no one was hurt. Both these guys are pretty dim to be that unaware of their situation (or to go to an ATM at night on foot for that matter) and especially dumb to chase after armed robbers while they were unarmed. No, Murfreesboro is hardly a "big town"...even Nashville is not very big as far as cities go.

The more scary scenario would be if it passed and did stand up in court...this bill could further open the door to even more intrusive federal government rules/requirements on states than we already have. If the federal government is going to pass anything regarding firearms, it should be a plain language re-statement the the second amendment means what it says and neither the federal government nor any stat has the power to infringe on it...short of that (which of course will never pass); this is an issue best left to the states.

Ron Paul is done...stick a fork in him. Any chance he might have had was obliterated in last night's debate - some of his foreign policy views are just crazy, they are dangerous and I think that was very obvious last night. Obama CAN be defeated - 14 months before the election is too damn early to throw in the towel.

I never answer my door, especially at night, without a pistol in my hand hidden behind my back. Three "young" girls would probably not raise a red flag immediately but the request to use my pone, in this day and age, likely would. In any case, could I shoot them? If I truly felt that my life was threatened then yes...I made the decision a long time ago that I would do whatever was necessary to save my life or the live of someone else; if I'm not willing to do that then I would have to question why I would carry a weapon in the first place. That said, I would have to shoot three young women but than again, I would hate to have to shoot anybody no matter their age or their sex; but, once a person (young, old, female or male) decides to place my life at risk, at that point are simply a threat that needs to be neutralized.

Very true - he was a one of kind and one of the good guys. At least we have his music!

I have a G20 and love it...I haven't had any problems with the grip but of course, everyone is different in that reagards. If you were closer I'd be happy to let you shoot it to see what you thought of it.

I went to a range and did a little shooting today - seemed like a very "American" thing to do. I need to repair my flag stand on my house so I didn't fly it today but did fly a flag from my vehicle and I'm leaving it on through tomorrow. In 2009, I went to the 9/11 memorial at the Pentagon and couldn't help but cry as I read names on many of the 100+ benches, one for each victim...I cried today as I listened to several shows commemorating the 10th anniversary. In 2001, the Saturday after the 9/11 attack, I went to Bass Pro Shop at Opryland just because I thought it was important that I do that...get out in public as a way to show that I was not going to hide in my house...that I was going to go on with life...I bought a couple of things not because I actually needed them but; just because. I think that's what we most need to do...to keep going on....absolutely we must never forget but we also must not let cowards who strike the innocent keep us from living our lives.

Being prepared for emergencies is something everyone should do because bad things can happen to any of us at any time. Certainly we have man-made things to worry about; everything from economic collapse/civil unrest/anarchy to terrorist activity to you name it. However, even though such things are possible; I'd suggest that what is far more likely to happen are natural disasters. We had MAJOR flooding in Nashville last year, an F5 tornado passed withing a mile of my house (Murfreesboro) the year before that...look what happened to the East coast just a week or so ago and katrina before that...I just participated in a 13-state "National Level Event" with many first responders (National Guard, State Guard, TEMA, FEMA, etc.) simulating a major earthquake event along the New Madrid fault (which seems to be an event that is a matter of "when" rather than "if). Some of these things require us to get the h**l out of Dodge and some require us to stay (and if getting out is necessary it's vital that you make the decision quickly enough that the decision isn't made for you...you have to assume that you won't be able to get out on any major highway which means you need to have routes planned out ahead of time that bypasses roads as much as possible which also means you need to have a vehicle available that can get off the highway). I've been thinking of this for quite a while...started to slowly prepare for the last few months...lot's more to do but you don't have to do everything at once and most of us can't afford to in any case. I started a list of things I need; prioritized each one and I buy/work on each item then more onto the next. I suggest that you can't find a group already in your area...start one...trust me, lot's of folks are thinking about these things and I'm sure there are people in your area who are thinking about them just like you are. In fact, so many people are thinking about this that there are now plenty of companies out there that make the job easier than it used to be. Frankly, a good starting place for info is FEMA's website.

I don't think bad luck had anything to do with it...more a matter of stupid on my part! Funny thing, even on the FNH forums, there seems to be disagreement about the EMag...some say it's just fine and others say not to use anything other than a quality AR15 style mag. At any rate it looks as if there is some major disassembly in my FS2000's future as well as purchasing some good quality AR15 mags!

Caster and I met this morning about 9. I got to demonstrate my shooting skills (which didn't take long) and I managed to get a mag stuck in my FS2000. It was busy at the range this morning but a good morning just the same.

No Mike, I don't waste good food; especially by throwing it against a concrete wall.

Because you haven't gotten the point...you didn't get it February and you still don't get it.

Humm...apparently I have been unclear. You have on several occasions in this thread, attacked people (including me) personally with name-calling (although you don't seem to understand that but, so be it). Since you've chosen to take that route anything further you have to say is immaterial.

My reply since you apparently missed it the first time...

I could not disagree more with this sentiment. It is not the job of any news media to "back" any political candidate and members of the media doing so is a major problem.

Oh boy!!!! Now we can turn this into a "Glock" vs "1911" thread; we haven't had one of those in a while. Thanks, Dave!!! Once we are done with that, we can argue about stopping power between 9MM, 40S&W, 10MM, 3.57SIG and 45ACP; of course, real firearm enthusiasts would never carry a wimpy 9MM or 40S&W but I suppose we need to include them just to be fair.

No...seriously, "Dude"...shame on you. From the moment you start name-calling two things happen.... 1. You show the lack of any real foundation for your position, and 2. Nothing else you have to say on the subject deserves to be read.

Where is your proof of this? More emotional conjecture? No...nothing "emotional" about it and it isn't conjecture. 1. "...openly carrying without regard to where you are/when you are/who will see you is what causes...previously "un-posted" properties to be posted against carry at all":http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/handgun-carry-self-defense/61780-open-carry-triggers-business-post-gun-buster.html 2. This next one was REALLY tough to come up with but with regards to my statement that "...openly carrying without regard to where you are/when you are/who will see you is what causes school lockdowns":http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/handgun-carry-self-defense/61747-open-carry-triggers-school-lock-down-police-say-handgun-carry-permit-holder-did-nothing-wrong.html Both of the two threads cited above, at least one of which you should be VERY familiar with; have been posted within the past week and support my statement that you seem to take such exception to. Beyond that, if you really want evidence of when openly carrying has resulted in a problem, you are as capable of searching out those items as I am. As to my statement that carrying inappropriately causes harm to the HCP community; I think these two incidents did harm the HCP community - at the very least, did nothing good for it. I’m sure you would really like these two cited incidents to be seen as “positives” for open carry but as the saying goes, you can put lipstick on a pig but it’s still a pig and any effort to portray these two cited incidents as positives is putting lipstick on a pig.

And where is your proof of this? Is this just more "emotional conjecture"??? And just who is being persecuted here??? Talk about "emotional conjecture"! What seems "obvious" is that you are presenting opinion to bolster your opinion. All those "benefits" to open carry that you claim above have been claimed before and generally with as little objective evidence to support the claims as you've offered here. Without evidence to support them, they are just that, claims...claims and opinions and wishful thinking that serve to support your position. No one in this thread has said that no one should ever open carry or that open carry is "bad" or that open carry is "wrong" or shouldn't be done - all I've said and all most of us have said is that you should do so with discretion and proposing discretion does NOT make someone "anti OC". Why proposing discretion causes such consternation among some folks is .

My wife could have found a way...perhaps that's one reason she is an "ex" wife. ROTFLMAO

Certainly as far as viewership goes, they are "mainstream"...if I'm not mistaken, they pull better numbers than all the other cable news networks and possibly even the broadcast networks combined. What tends to be different about FOX is that they have an openly "center to right leaning" bent. I don't 100% trust any network news outlet but I'd trust FOX any day of the week before any other and I think that in their actual "news" segments (as opposed to their opinion/issue segments) they at least try to give facts/news rather than opinion.

So...what time are we meeting...have we decided? I guess if it's just the two of us Sunday morning is fine, if nicemac is planning on coming then we would need to meet afternoon.

I really don't want to get into a "right" vs "privilege" argument - this really isn't a matter of "thought" or what I "think" nor was I talking about the U.S. Constitution - it's a matter of what is and is not legal under current Tennessee law. In Tennesee; per the Tennessee constitution, while it recognizes the right to have "arms", the legislature has the specific constitutional authority to regulate the wearing of arms and they have so regulated. That is why I said that bearing arms in Tennessee is a regulated privilege, not a right. Perhaps "privilege" is the wrong word to use; I don't know. I do know that we can quibble and argue about it all day long and but arguing will not change the simple fact that it is illegal in Tennessee to "go armed", either openly or concealed unless one has a Handgun Carry Permit and only so long as the person is not carrying in a prohibited location (prohibited either by specific statute or by properly posting, etc.)...arguing that it is a "right", not a "privilege" or something in between those two words will not keep you from being arrested; keep you from being convicted nor keep you from doing jail time if you carry in a manner or in a location that is prohibited by statute. I agree that the U.S. Constitution says that keeping and bearing arms is a "right" but as a matter of practically, there are "arms" related laws that we must live under if we intend to be "law-abiding citizens"; recognizing that is not "harmful to the firearm community" it's just pragmatic. P.S. I see no reason why you want feel the need to insult by insinuating that my statements are "liberal thinking"