RobertNashville

The person placing the bounty is black...that's why.

Stand Your Ground laws are GOOD laws and not only need to be protected where they already exist but we need every state to recognize this basic right...if they had their way, the Brady bunch and their ilk would not even allow you to defend yourself in your own home, much less in places where you have a legal right to be. There is nothing wrong with retreating when you can do so safely but no one should be automatically required to do so. Anybody can claim anything as a defense but just because someone claims an otherwise legitimate defense to justify when it shouldn't apply doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with the defense.

Period? Even if the "azz whipping" goes far enough to kill the person getting whipped? Maybe I'm wrong but no matter who "started it", one the point is reached that someone can die the one in legitimate fear of being killed has a right to pull a gun, a knife or a rock if necessary to defend himself...he may have a hell of time defending himself against charges later but that's better than being dead. http://a4.sphotos.ak...789360798_n.jpg

Fixed it...where is my secretary when I need her?

I'm almost as sick of the "race card" as I am of "political correctness". I know that racism exists...I know that it will likely never be truly gone... but I'm sick to death of it being an excuse for everything bad that ever happens to someone. I believe that most people today are willing to judge a person by their actions rather than by their skin color but often times, we never even get the chance to do so before we are called a racist.

Just wondering if anyone from TGO, aside from me, is going to the NRA convention this year in St. Louis? If anyone is and want to meet up somewhere and maybe have a cup of coffee let me know, I might even buy the coffee.

Wow...I can't believe that on a stunningly beautiful Sunday afternoon so many people are here, pretty much saying the same thing over an over again. I'm going out and shoot some'thin!.

I know a few anti's who absolutely feel that way...I've also seen a couple of them change their minds when they became a victim and realized that when it counted, they were completely at the mercy of a thug.

There should only be a trial if charges are justified - I haven't heard anyone say that a proper investigation isn't warranted or that charges shouldn't be brought IF justified. However; given the almost hysterical media circus headed by the two circus clowns (Sharpton and Jackson); I have little hope for a truly fair investigation here. I'm not giving either the shooter or the kid a pass; I just don't like and never will like trial by press or by an ill-informed public who wasn't there - I've see FAR too many examples where all the know-it-all's knew nothing had it dead wrong. And yeah...nothing better than "911 tapes" for facts. I've said many things in my life that could be problematic if the WHOLE story is known and in an extremely stressful situation where you may even feel you have to defend your life don't you think things could be said that could give a wrong impression which is why every firearms instructor that talks about self-defense shootings tell you the sorts of thing you should say to a 911 operator and to practice so that when you are in that stressful situation you don't say something you shouldn't.

Seems to me there are a lot of people (here on TGO, across the country and of course, Sharpton and Jackson) who seem to know a hell of a lot of "facts" about this. Yet, many of those "facts" tend to conflict with one another. Funny how that works.

Good points. I know that some people won't understand the true value of silver or think that the $1 on the silver eagle is what it should be worth. But, I think there will be enough people around who understand that it's the silver, not the $ figure on the coin that supports the valu - I guess if someone just doesn't or won't understand I would just have to find someone else to bargin with! Anyway, my silver is, as I mentioned, just part of an overall "cash" plan for a situation where I can't use a debit card/can't get money out of the bank, etc.,,I know that in a SHTF time, paper money will be worthless other than perhaps helping to start a fire. Or maybe as a substitute for TP!!!

True...then again, at least TP has as pretty easy to locate replacement (leaves, grass, etc.)...certainly not as pleasant to use but they can get the job done. It's the things that can't be easily replaced or substituted for that keeps me awake some nights!

Gee...a black man shoots a white man and we hear nothing about it...I can hardly believe it. Surely Al and Jessee are all over this, right?

Nothing. I thought it would be obvious that what it does have to do with is your statement where you said... I think arresting someone "based on sensationalized pressure from the press" is stupid, dangerous and a affront to our liberty - I believe that people should be arrested because and ONLY because the evidence justifies it and never because the media turns a situation into a circus. Is that some sort of radical view now? The two cases I referenced (and there are many more that I could have) I cited to show just how dangerous and stupid it is to arrest people based on sensationalist media. No matter how guilty anyone thinks Zimmerman is; this case needs to be handled on facts; not sensationalist media stories and not because Sharpton and Jackson want him crucified.

Yeah...you're right, they were white, not black (that's what I get for "remembering" rather than looking it up) but do you think that really makes a difference to my point? In both cases, people were arrested, based at least in part on sensationalist journalism whipping up a frenzy. And yea, good ole' Reverend Al and Revered Jessie were sure there calling "justice"...I"m so glad both are staying out of this one...oh wait...

In a SHTF world, ANYTHING yo have that someone else might want can be a basis of exchange; assuming you have enough of it to offer it in trade - extra food, ammunition, a firearm, a skill, etc. Given that, much of what we buy for that kind of emergency situation can become coinage which is why, if you can afford it, I think buying "extra" of those things is a good idea. Specificlaly with regards to coinage; I would say that anything that has a provable and identifiable metal content can be a good source of coinage but being able to establish the metal and how much is there is going to be key in establishing a value. Any U.S. minted coin from the correct time frame works well for that (commonly called junk silver/coinage). Personally, I happen to like 1oz bullion silver coins (mostly U.S. Eagles and Canadian Maple Leafs) because there really can be no legitimate question about how much silver is there and while not quite as convenient as a bag of old quarters, one oz coins are still small enough to deal with. That said, my primary reason for having the the bullion coins as well as some paper dollars on hand is more for a "temporary" emergency rather than an all out SHTF situation..if something happens and I can't get to an ATM (or they aren't working) or people won't (or can't) take a debit card then what cash/coin I have on hand is going to be extremely important.

Really? You think that people should be arrested based on "sensationalized pressure from the press" IF it accomplishes something you happen to think needs to be accomplished? I remember some Duke lacrosse teem members who were arrested based a great deal on sensationalized pressure from the press. I remember some young black men who were arrested for raping Tawana Brawley because of sensationalized pressure from the press. How about we only arrest people based on EVIDENCE. Legitimate press where facts, ALL the facts are presented or a cover-up uncovered...yeah...that's good...that's one of the major functions of a legitimate press. Sensationalized stories that include some facts and leave other facts conveniently out of the story (so as to puss an already formed opinion) are another matter.

Unless someone is working some very strange hours I don't see why anyone would need to take time off work?? I did everything I had to do in my OFF HOURS. I took a Saturday class (Friday nights and Sundays were also available if I had wanted to do it then); the class was 9 hours including our meal break...it took me less than 15 minutes get my fingerprints taken and my time at the DMV, while tedious, was done late afternoon after work so I don't know why anyone would need two, let alone three days off work to get it done. I DO agree with you in principle that any law-abiding citizen should be able to carry without being required to have a HCP but it seems to me you are REALLY straining to make the HCP process a lot more costly and painful that it is. If you really dislike the permit process as much as you seem to then I hope you are spending at least as much time being politically active to get the law changed as you are spending time posting about it.

No one is punishing anybody...my point was that poor choices very often led to bad consequences and that will always be true whether the government is involved or not.

You can hold any opinion you want but you are the one who seems bent out of shape that I don't happen to share yours. I have a low tolerance for armchair quarterbacking even though everyone, including me, is guilty of it...I have an even lower tolerance of armchair quarterbacking that seems to demand I agree with the quarterback's assessment. Maybe that's not what you intended but that's how it came across. I'm glad you have it all figured out and I'll admit, it sounds bad for the shooter in this case but I've been around long enough to know that getting the whole truth from the media is VERY RARE and those who make up their minds about anything based on what the media has to say about it; even allege "facts" from other sources, will come to the wrong opinion a hell of lot more often than the come to the right opinion. I don't know who was in the right here...the one thing I DO know is that I don't know enough to know who is was in the right. Isn't that why we have trials?

Whatever the cost is; don't you think that is a bit moot if they've waited until that point that the need it NOW?

I said NOTHING of the kind. You seem to have a very unique way of reading what you want to read rather than what was actually said.How about you let ALL THE FACTS come out before you make up your mind and BEFORE you start arguing with people just because they don't happen to see things the same way you see them.

My comments about his parents are simply based on a half-century hearing news reports of such things and seeing family and friends defending little Johnny or Jenny - little Johnny or Jenny could be serial ax murderers caught with a bloody ax in their hand and many family and friends; yes...even parents will be in front of the cameras telling the world how "good" their kid is. My point, which you obviously missed, is that what this young man's parents has to say about him is worthless in terms of determining anything about the situation. I'm not defending or condemning anyone - if you believe you've got if figured out based on the 911 call that's fine; I just don't agree and what blows my mind, to borrow a phrase, is how someone who wasn't there can be so iron clad sure about who was trigger happy, what this kid was doing and even exactly what the police would have done "if only".

Some 17 year old kids walking home from the store are no threat at all...some are murderers (or at least are willing to be). I've looked "deep into myself" and I'm fine with "me". The only thing I'm "predisposed" to do is not snap to ANY judgment about anybody's guilt or innocence. You weren't there...I wasn't there...the 911 operator wasn't there but I'm fairly certain that if the DA feels he has enough evidence to get a conviction he'll proceed with charges; if he doesn't then I suppose I'm predisposed to think that the shooting was justified.