RobertNashville

I can't help but wonder why some businesses "post" at all when the sign is so small or posted in such an out of the way place that it's easy to not see at all or mistake it for something else??? One would think if they truly don't want HCP holders to carry in their business they would post properly with a sign big enough for people to see! I don't know if postings like the one you describe are done because they are too stupid to do it properly or if it's because they aren't really opposed to legal carry but are trying to placate someone else (the property owner, non-carrying customers who "hate" guns so they want to appear to appease them, etc).

I'll always takes the prayers but just be be clear, I have no desire to shoot anyone and I too hope I never have to do so and especially hope I never hit an innocent bystander in the process. I carry in the event I am ever put into a position where I do need to defend my life. I presume that's why you carry. I presume that is why most people who carry have made that decision. Aside from my past military training I put in a considerable amount of time and $$$ each year to train for an event I hope never happens precisely because I want to be ready to do what's necessary if it becomes necessary and to reduce the chance that I'll "hit an innocent bystander in the process"; I pray others do the same.

That's exactly what I do - for some reason, you seem to have a problem with that.

I'm not sure if the above was directed at me or not but in my above post, I did not say that a posted business has "taken away" my right to go armed; I've said they don't "respect" my right to go armed. Some may see the the difference between the two phrases as minor but I see them as significantly different from each other. I absolutely agree, not being armed doesn't mean I can't defend myself or that I have to be a victim but it DOES mean that the most effective tool available for me to defend myself has been eliminated from the equation - any business that chooses to make that decision for me and eliminates that tool is a business that doesn't deserve my custom.

^^^ That's a pretty comment - it isn't about being "defenseless"; it's about common sense. I've been in a few fights in my life but at my age, I'm probably not going to come out on the winning end of a round of street fighting with a 20-something bad guy (especially if there are more than one of them) no matter how mamy self-defense courses I've had. However, it's not the boxing match that is the issue; the issue is a life-threatening use of force by one or more bad guys who are intent on killing me or other innocent people and what makes your comment a bit absurd is that the bad guys, aside from often being younger and in better shape than their victims are also often ARMED. Jackie Chan can beat up 20 armed thugs with his karate moves but in real life, the guy(s) with the gun(s) is/are usually going to win against the guy who only has his fists or his hand-to-hand self-defense courses to rely on especially since the guy with the gun is generally going to have the element of surprise on his side. Yes they do and if they didn't I wouldn't bank there (not that I need to go into my bank's actual building all that often). Perhaps for you going armed it about "fear" but for me it's about being a responsible citizen and about making sane, logical choices for ME - I see nothing sane or logical about foregoing the best tool for self-defense available to me just because some stupid business owner/corporation doesn't want me to be armed. For me, the decision and the principle is quite simple - I will not voluntarily give my money to a business that doesn't support my right to go armed and that is ESPECIALLY so if that business makes their profit by selling firearms/firearm related products to firearm enthusiasts.

He was far too progressive/not as conservative as I wanted him to be but on his worst day he was a FAR better president than either of his challengers could have EVER been and I don't for one moment regret voting for him. Obviously I don't know him personally but I believe he was an honest man who truly loved our country and those two things alone make him stand out above most of the politicians we have in office or running for office (in both parties).

^^^THIS

I'm a 1911 guy and I always have and always will love 1911s...I own several and always will. However, I carry a Glock and I own severl. What convinced me was a two-day fighting pistol course when my very pretty and expensive Kimber choked BAD on me halfway thorugh the fist day. I switched to a backup, also a 1911, that took me through the rest of the course but I decided then and there that I was going to carry something that always went "bang" when you pulled the trigger. Obviousely, I iknow taht Glocks can fail to function on a bad round or for other reasons...mechanical devices can and usually will fail sometime. But round for round, I believe the Glocks are the most reliable autoloaded out there and also aren't all that expensive.

Not only do they go off just from looking at them but most of time, they are unladed as well! News is now reporting that the officer is on administrative leave...also saying that the woman "hugged" him from behind. It should be insteresting to see how this actually plays out; assuming of course that we ever get the whole story.

Thanks for all the info...haven't made any decisions yet but I appreciate all the feed back!

Why should we "give thought" to it? When a business posts, regardless of their reason(s) for doing so, they are telling me that they do not respect my God given right to defend my life. So why shoudl it matter if they are posting because the business owner(s) "hate" guns, or because they don't trust people who carry to handle their weapons properlty or because they are afraid of lawsuites or becaue they are afraid of losing non-carrying customers who may hate guns, etc? I suspect that most people have made the conscious and very serious decision to carry precisely because they are unwilling to leave their personal safety to chance or to someone else....they may even have made that decision because they believe, correctly I think, that a responsible citizen has an obligation to be armed. So, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter why a business posts because the end result is the same whcih is that if i want to do business with that business I have to go unarmed and leave my personal safety up to chance/someone else. I will not do that. When I need to do business with someone and their business property is posted (or even if I simply "know" my firearm isn't welcome there), I go somewhere else because the vast majority of the time, I can find an alternative place to do business that respects my right to be armed (or at least doesn't actively oppose it). I suggest that if a person truly values his/her right to go armed, they should try to do the same.

Nothing to apologize for! I was just commenting on the fact that so many here loath his actions but keep talking about him. Just as Dolomite's ball and Chain said above, he's getting what he wants, notoriety.

I for one rarely go to gun shows so whether they are posted or not or allow HCP holders to carry or not is immaterial to me....I guess if I do go I know up front that I won't be carrying. My doctor's office isn't posted...hospitals are a different matter but many here have already said, and I agree, that there are occasions where exceptions have to be made, i.e. I'm not going to miss my niece's wedding just because I can't carry in the church she is getting married in and I'm not going to not visit my mother in the hospital just because it's posted, etc. But those instances aren't what most of us are talking about...what most of us are talking about are when we DO have a choice. As for "saving 20%" I'm sure some put a small savings ahead of their principles; I can't speak for them, I can only speak for me and I will NOT spend money in a store that doesn't support my right to provide for my own protection; period.

Any business that tells me my legally carried firearm isn't welcome is telling me that I'm not welcome and that my money isn't welcome either; and I'm happy to oblige them by NOT giving them my money. Any business who makes their money from the sale of firearms/firearms training, etc. bot doesn't want me to carry my legally carried firearm onto their property is not only telling me that they don't want my business but they are schizophrenic, inconsistent and perhaps moronic - they may feel they have legitimate and rational justification for their position; they may even have rational justification but I'm still not going to give them a dime of my money.

Amen

I'm not sure which is worse, KWIK's stupid acts or that people sit at their computers and post about this nutcase. How long as he been banned from TGO and how many post have been made about him since that time???

As I understand Oregon law, OC is illegal except in a couple of cities, Portland being one of them. Even though it's legal in Portland, I think fair to say that people likely aren't used to seeing people walk around openly carrying a firearm and I'm sure that's why someone called the police; I don't know that it would have taken him a lot of effort to get noticed. I have no overt evidence of such but I suspect this guy did this in order to provoke a response and, being the law student that he is, felt compelled to argue the law with a cop on the street (that's a stupid thing to do even when you are a real lawyer) and then post it on YouTube so the whole world could see how smart and brave he is. Whatever the guy's intent, I don't understand why some people feel they need to be confrontational with a police officer who is being polite and simply doing his job. Some seem to think that being in your face/confrontational with the public and law enforcement will lead to greater acceptance of going armed (concealed or not concealed) however I believe such acts are much more likely to cause negative repercussions for and restrictions on the firearms community. At the very least, the street corner is not the place to argue case law; he should have complied with the cop's questions/requests and then taken it to the courtroom or used an administrative grievance process to make his point. In My Always Humble Opinion of course.

This took place in Portland OR and this guy is just an idiot likely openly carrying for the purpose of creating an incident which makes him a double idiot.

I can't say I liked his politics (specifically his AARP/Obamacare commercial) but I grew up with his show and loved it (and still do)...I went to Mt Airy NC in 2010 as part of my vacation; it's a great place to visit if you loved the Andy Griffith Show. Does anybody remember "Salvage" where Andy plays a junkyard owner who builds a space ship out of junk to go to the moon and bring back the equipment left there? It was a bit of a farce but I liked that show. RIP Andy; you left quite a legacy of a way of life that sadly, we'll never see again.

Harwell is NO friend of the second amendment; if it were up to her no one would carry arms (except of course those who protect her). So..write all the letters you want but don't hold your breath...if it were me I'd spend the time working for anybody running against her as that might actually accomplish something.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/navy-biofuels/ http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/48047296/ns/us_news-environment/ I'm sure there are plenty more.

Actually, I would say that the real problem is idiot politicians who are more concerned about their agendas and their supporter's agenda's than actually governing on principles and common sense. As a concept, I'm fine with "green energy"....but moving to such energy has to be done in a way that makes economic (and common) sense.

No need to apologize...as I read this I got made at these dirtbags too. I'm glad your daughter and the others are okay which is the most important thing. I don't know what it's like to be the parent of an adult child whom you no longer can exercise control over but I do know what it's like to see a brother and a niece and my aging mother take paths that are poor choices at best and perhaps even self-destructive and how helpless you feel knowing that you can do nothing about it except speak your piece (if they'll even listen) and then sit on the sidelines and hope against hope they'll make a better decision eventually. All that said, it sounds to me as if you and your wife did a good job raising your daughter; with that foundation, there is good reason to be hopeful that she'll make better choices and maybe even seek your advice!

The bills themselves are dead; however, the issue certainly is NOT dead. That said, if the current leadership stays in place (Haslam, Ramsey, Harwell and Maggart) then there is probably less chance for ANY firearm friendly legislation coming out of the Tennessee Executive or legislative branch anytime soon. What is likely our best chance of getting any improvement with regards to restoration of our 2A rights (whether the safe commute issue or anything else such as constitutional carry, improvements to the HCP process, etc) is to unseat Marggart with Lt Col Rodgers...if Rodgers can replace Maggart as the Republican nominee in district 45 it will have a significant impact on the legislature not just because Courtney is very pro-2A but also because it will show the strength (or lack of it) of the firearms community in Tennessee since both the NRA and the TFA have targeted Maggart for defeat. Maggart, if you remember, has always touted her support for the 2A but this past session, she blocked the bills from coming to the floor for a vote even though the bills had successfully passed every hurdle necessary to get there and even with opponents to the bills wanting them put to floor for a vote. She and the leadership didn't want to have to vote on the bills because they knew a "no" vote would show their true support (i.e. lack of it) to the firearms community while a "yes" vote would piss off the big corporations who's campaign donations they were wanting for their re-election campaigns.

Roberts' is no genius or some great strategist; he simply caved to pressure to protect how the general public perceive him and the court. Ultimately, his actions may help propel Romney and a significant number of Republicans into office as people who hate Obummacare realize that doing so is their only hope of getting rid of it but in my humble opinion, Roberts did this for his own selfish reasons.