RobertNashville

He's being punished for breaking his employer's rules; not for defending himself.  A minor distinction perhaps but an important one I think.   If I owned a pizza delivery shop I don't even know whether or not I'd have this kind of rule as I can see good and bad on both sides of the issue; I'd like to think I'd come down on allowing my employees to carry if they decided to do so (and assuming they did so legally) but I would have to think long and hard about as well as talk with my attorney.

Thanks!  I'm looking forward to the match even if I'm not competitive...of course...I'm use to not being competitive!

Oh...I have stuff more powerful than Advil; it still hurts! :)

Seem like a good letter...however, the cynical side of me can't help but wonder if she had any part in writing it and/or if she actually believes any of it personally. :-\

I have a question I hope you can help me with...   I've no idea how an indoor match will be set up but in the outdoor matches I've competed in, there is usually one or more instances that require the shooter to kneel, etc. For several years now, after an injury, I've had a week right knee and although I can get down and up, I have a lot of difficulty doing so. So, the group I shot with just decided to not require me to get down and then I took a penalty for it.   I'm wondering if we can do something similar for these matches?   It's a special concern for me at the moment because on New Year's day I slipped on a wet floor in the meat department of my local Kroger and sprained the same knee...I'm moving but a bit slowly compered to normal - however, I'm still hoping to be there and compete in the inaugural meet! :) I'm not all that worried about scores or "wining"...I just enjoy the matches and I like, hopefully, getting better!

No...they'll come...cops; at least most of them, will always serve the public...even the most stupid public among us...even at the cost of their own lives.

Pretty odd...I was in St. Louis for the NRA convention this past year and there was a Denny's near my hotel...I ate two or three meals there.   The first meal I had there was late evening and I noticed they were closing for the night about the time I was getting ready to leave...I asked the manager about it because "Denny's is Always Open"; or so I thought. Well, they were closing because of crime in the neighborhood and because they had experienced a robbery with shots fired not long before (the manager showed me one of the repaired bullet holes).  As the conversation went on he asked why I was in town and I told him which led to further discussion and the fact that I was carrying...anyway; he was VERY happy to have customers carry in his Denny's!   I guess it just depends on the manager/particular restaurant.  :shrug:

True, outside of Chicago you have real people with some common sense but I don't think and I would say history (recent as well as going back a long way) has shown that there isn't enough of the "good guys" to stop this kind of garbage from being passed and signed into law.

How can you lose your carry gun?  Likely the in the same way you can sit down in a public toilet, do your business and then notice there is no toilet paper.   As much as we all like to think this can't happen to us and suggest that this guy was stupid and we'll never be that stupid; I would suggest that the only people who this cannot happen to are people who don't carry. Everybody who does carry needs to get into the habit of checking our carry weapon every single time before we leave someplace we've been and on a regular basis in any case.

Since making the decision to get my HCP I have averaged about 2 classes per year; usually going back and forth between handgun, rifle and shotgun as well as seminars about such things as appropriate use of deadly force, etc. and usually train at either Range Masters or at Tactical Response (although I also love Sealed Mindset as well). I read a good article in Concealed Carry Report (put out by the USCCA) a few months ago that posed this question in terms of whether a person is actually  an "enthusiast" or simply a "collector". The author wasn't suggesting that there is anything with mostly being a collector but he was trying to make the point that people need training and should seek it out...he suggested that if a person is serious about using a firearm for his/her own defense then he/she should have at least one training certificate for every five firearms owned. :)

I participated in the 2009 March on DC with a quite a few hundred thousand of my close friends...it was an experience unlike any I have had before but it didn't do jack s**t to stop the passage of Obamacare.   In 2010 I participated in Restoring Courage on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial - a very non-political event (despite how the media wanted to paint it) of at least a million people and while it did effect me, and while I think it was more worthwhile than the March on DC; I'm still cautiously pessimistic about what marches/large gatherings actually accomplish. I don't think marches are the answer...the problem is, I don't have a better answer either because I call and I write my elected officials and all I see is the country and the state continuing to move toward socialism and more spending and more debt.

I sincerely hope that the panic buying stops pretty quickly and when it does, you'll see prices settle to where they really should be.   I don't like it when businesses raise prices by large percentages just because they believe people will pay it but we always need to remember that there are two sides to the free market; the buyer and the seller - if buyers are willing to pay the inflated prices then they can; I chose not to and will continue to not do so.   Now, if supply remains very strained and prices very high I may not have a choice but I'm not going to rush out and buy anything right now.

I agree...it's one thing to "know" something and another to do something about it but that doesn't mean we should freely reveal information about ourselves and make it even easier for them.   I just (December) submitted my master's thesis on medical data privacy and one of the things I pointed out is that much of what we consider "private" information isn't private and has never been private and that we reveal volumes of intimate data about ourselves of our own free will without really giving any significant thought to who will or can see it or what can be done with it. ;)

I'm all for it...I say let them do it and don't just limit it to "modern" firearms but ALL firearms. I say we encourage Illinois to do this and we'll see how the results play out - I predict that the powers that be won't like them.   I'd say that I, for one, will never enter Illinois again but I made that decision a long time ago! ;)

It's difficult to discuss what we "should do" when we don't know what will get passed or if anything will get passed.  Certainly, beforehand, we need to be as active as possible in opposition and that includes our personal efforts of calling and writing our elected officials (and meeting face to face with then when possible) as well as joining every pro-2A group out there with additional contributions to those groups lobbying efforts.   Once something does pass...I think every person is going to have to decide for themselves what they are and are not willing to do to retain their rights; rights not given by the Constitution but by God (or if you don't believe in a god then at least rights that every person has simply by being a "person").   I think starting NOW (and we probably should have all alone); we need to be VERY CAREFUL about what information we give here about ourselves...I'm not wearing tin foil but I know enough about technology today to know what data mining can uncover and I suggest that we think carefully before committing something to writing in an internet forum.

Well, totally different subject and in any case, talking about it on the internet isn't going to stop that!

No one said let them slide...no one said you couldn't or shouldn't let them know how you feel or that you shouldn't take your business elsewhere if you wish to do so.  Anyway, being demoted. losing a few hours of work or even losing a job by violating a company policy doesn't send anyone to jail nor does defending yourself when you are are being accosted.  

Sorry...I don't think this "problem" even qualifies as a molehill; let alone that mountain being made of it.

I'm not arguing in favor of the policy but they have a right to have their policies.  People who want to work for them have to decide to either follow the policies or not and if it's "not" then they should be prepared for the consequences. That said, I do think I can see Pizza Hut's reasoning for their policy...should one of their drivers, while on a delivery, use deadly force against someone and it's determined that the use of force wasn't justified, who do you think the victim/victim's family is going to go after civilly?   Perhaps the "parking lot" legislation we've talked about here could address this...part of the bills that have been proposed had liability exclusions in it and I suspect we would need something like that if individual states start telling businesses that they can't have policies that restrict arms from employee vehicles whether parked in a parking lot or while out on company business???

I don't like it when an employer does this kind of stuff...I really don't. But at the same time, it's their rules isn't it?   I understand why the guy would carry....I understand why he would defend himself...but I'm sure he did so knowing full well what the potential repercussions would be.   I don't like it...I support the guy doing what he did...but Pizza Hut did nothing wrong here; at least not if the driver knew or should have known Pizza Hut's policy.       EDIT: I also wonder, is this a Pizza Hut corporate policy or the policy of the particular store this employee worked for?  I don't know if all Pizza Huts are corporate owned or if some/most/all are franchised???

I still don't get it...while some things don't carry TN Sales Tax most things do and they do whether they identify the tax separately (Price + tax) or they just include it as a lump sum. There is no difference between $400 plus 9.75% sales tax vs just quoting $439.   If there is anyone worthy of angst here it's the State of Tennessee; not businesses who are forced to be tax collectors for the state.   More to the point, unless someone is being forced to do something then so what?  Go somewhere else...build your own range...whatever...bitching about it accomplishes nothing.

So I guess any of us who belong to that range are elitist, and self entitled???   We do have, at least some semblance of a free enterprise system here...if you don't like the price of something or the alleged "crummy" way someone does business then go somewhere else or build your own range.   I've had nothing but EXCELLENT service there and as far as I'm concerned it's worth far more than they ask for a membership (nor do you have to be a member to shoot there anyway) - I don't see the problem nor why this thread was even needed.  :shrug:

To be blunt, I'm not surprised. I've lived in five different states in my life and I've traveled in almost all of the lower 48 and I've seen a lot of drivers over those years that just make me wonder how they are still alive. Tennessee especially seems to make running red lights some sort of state pastime (although I've yet to figure out what the price is - maybe it's getting to a destination 2 minutes earlier; assuming you don't T-bone someone??? No matter what my speed on the highways, I will always get passed like I'm sitting still (and anyone who actually knows me knows I'm not a slow driver by any means). Short of manufacturers building cars that cannot wreck, I don't see an answer to the problem. Clearly, whatever people are learning in their driver education classes isn't "sticking" and after competing in SCCA Solo2 for a number of years I'm convinced that there isn't 1 in 100 people who actually know how to handle their vehicle in an emergency situation. For myself, I think I'm going to look for a surplus, demilitarized tank. ;)

I own or have owned some very fine examples of custom built 1911s...never saw one priced at $5K nor would I pay that much for one in any case.   Whatever happened to the concept of "let the buyer beware"???

Well then, if it's the one I'm thinking of then (and recently joined) then it's well worth the price I'm paying. I understand the one I am talking about isn't inexpensive but shooting as a hobby isn't exactly inexpensive either.   Each of us have to decided for ourselves what we can afford to do/pay...complaining about the price one places charges seems, at best, inappropriate to me.