RobertNashville

"Threatening to shoot cops is about the dumbest freaking thing I can think of for them to do."   Yeah...maybe it is...actually I'd say carrying through with the threats may be dumber yet.  However, is giving up your "illegal assault weapons" and "high capacity magazines" (that may represent tens of thousands of $$$ of investment to the person to bought and paid for them) not pretty dumb too???   Waiting to get the legislature changed with people who actually believe in the constitution is a great long term strategy (assuming there are enough voters in CT as well as enough such candidates to get the job done) but that won't do a thing to stop the confiscation of millions and millions of dollars worth of privately owned weapons nor stop people from being tried and convicted of a felony; lose their rights vote and to own any weapons in the future and may result in jail time and even if not jail time would likely ruin their lives and the lives of their families as well.   I would leave the state permanently before I'd hand over my weapons but that would be my way of   The problem is, when the heavy hand of the state comes to get you firearms THERE IS NO "GOOD" RESPONSE...they are all bad...anything you do is likely to ruin your life or at least change it forever. By the time the state is on your doorstep to take your "illegal" weapons it's likely too late for a good outcome no matter what you do or don't do.

Folks this has nothing to do with "the law" and everything to do with the good communist "school policy" of "zero tolerance"...that's why even eating a cookie into the vague shape of a pistol is enough to get suspended....that is what our schools, which we all pay for, have come to today.

You may be right or I may be; neither of us can know since we weren't there and we didn't vote.

Sit around and lose my rights?   Okay...so if you think I'm just sitting around how about helping me out and tell me what 10 things I can do right now to keep from losing my rights?   Maybe there are some actions I can take that I'm not already taking.  

I'm trying to think if there is much left to be said about this unless or until the Connecticut authorities actually do something. This could turn into something extremely serious or CT may just tuck tail and "enforce" this law only if they actually arrest someone for possessing an "illegal" weapon when it's in the person's possession and they get stopped/encounter LE for some other reason.   Time will tell.

I'm just suggesting that people understand the likely consequences of their actions because it probably won't end well for those who try to resist. In any case, what I wold do personally is a decision I alone will make and likely won't make until they are on my doorstep...if you want to assume that means I'm putting on my "shackles" you can do so. Let's not forget that the this situation in CT or that we see brewing in other parts of the country wasn't created by some King an ocean away over which the people had no say in what happened like we did in the 18th century...WE the people are 100% responsible for where we are now as a country...if they come for our guns it will be because the majority of the people voted for it (or at least don't have a problem with it)...this isn't 1776 no matter how much some try to equate the two periods in history.

How exactly do you "make them adhere to the U.S. Constitution if they don't want to OR if they just don't believe they are violating the Constitution? Voting them out is all I can see that is a peaceful solution but...I don't know that they are but it may well be a safe assumption that the majority of the citizens of Connecticut want these laws (and therefor, voting in lawmakers who will rescind them would be extremely unlikely)...given that, do you really think that armed rebellion, when you are not only fighting the military power of the State but also a majority of the citizens' opinions would have any chance of success?  I don't.   I just simply see a lot of dead gun owners I suppose that if that's the hill you decide you are willing to die on then you do it but I'm not sure anything good would come from it.

Surely the double standard doesn't surprise anyone does it?   Of course if you are homosexual it's perfectly okay to refuse to do business with someone who doesn't agree with your lifestyle but it should be illegal for anyone to refuse to do business with the homosexual.  Such is the world we now live in.

I believe, based on the recent SCOTUS decision not to hear a case on a similar law in Montana (leaving intact the lower court's decisions that the law is invalid) any such law in any other state is now worthless as well.   I may be wrong on that but that's my initial understanding.   http://www.kxlh.com/news/u-s-supreme-court-won-t-hear-montana-firearms-freedom-case/

I'm not sure there is a correct course of action. Trying to vote out the idiots is one approach but that can take a long time assuming it ever happens at all. You can get the petroleum jelly and comply like good little servants. You can continue to be a felon and hope they don't arrest you You can leave the state and try to find someplace where the legislature doesn't have their heads up their nether regions. You can resist with violence when the show up on your doorstep wanting to confiscate your "illegal" weapons and arrest you which may be the most heroic thing one could do although I suspect it will end very, very badly for the hero and his family.

About an hour ago, James (the "nut case" according to some) reported that he was arrested this morning.   He also posted this story on his page about this woman...These New Jersy cops really know how to treat their citizens don't they!   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kt90pzUWgM    

  I'm no "power broker" but I do know enough to learn from those who know more than I do; a concept that some haven't grasped yet.   You've said you don't understand how it works in TN and you've made it perfectly clear that you don't want to learn; just complain and disparage.

What's "unbelievable" is that even after acknowledging "you don't know how things work here" and that you know no politicians and apparently have no clue about what it will take to get pro-firearm legislation passed you continue to disparage the TFA and browbeat those whoDO have a clue....now that really is UNBELIEVABLE.   Why don't you spend less time complaining and spend the time finding out how it DOES work here.

NJ Gun Law Critic Targeted By State Police 72 Hours Prior To Hearing I know...this could never happen in Tennessee, right?  I guarantee you that there are politicians in office right now (and three practically jump to mind) who would do this in a heartbeat if they thought for one moment that they could get away with it.  "1984" is truly here and moving across the country from both coasts.

Where are the mayors against illegal knives when you need them???   Seems to me this only proves one thing...that crazy people and/or those who want to use terror to get their way will find a way to do it. If this had happened at a shopping mall in the U.S. you would probably hear the anti-gun crazies boasting about how the death tool would be higher had these killers been using guns; which might even be true.  Of course, what they will never say and which could be equally true is that a few good, decent people with arms might have saved some or many of these lives.

So...you don't have a plan...you don't know any politicians and you have no idea what will happen with this bill yet you chide those who do know some politicians...are involved with the TFA and might have some insight into the status and likely outcome of this bill...got it.  Thanks for clearing that up.   Respectfully, Dave...you complain about the law in TN regarding carrying arms and how it's "not a right in TN" in post after post...part of me truly admires you passion on the issue but don't you think that it would be prudent for you to GET to know some politicians?  To get involved with the TFA?  Get a plan together?  There really is strength in numbers and the TFA needs them as well as donations to its legislative action efforts and it needs people involved.   I was purposely oblivious to most of what happened in TN politically until two different things happened. 1. The fight over a state income tax...I heard Phil Valentine on the radio one Saturday morning and wen to legislative plaza and did so again quite a few times (nearly worn my horn out over those couple of years). 2.  I joined the TFA and started going to meetings when I could...at this point I DO know a few politicians...politicians who will actually take my calls and who, on occasion, have even called me!  I'm not claiming I've done anything great here...I'm not some hero with an inside track on whats going on but I'm at least a lot more involved now than I was then.  Maybe if a couple thousand more did the same we really could get some of the infringements on our rights removed.

I'll tell you what...it that bill makes it to Haslam's desk out of this session I'll buy you a meal at the Chop House (or any other similarly priced restaurant) because if it gets signed into law (and surely Haslam will keep his word! LOL) no one would be happier than I!  ;)

I was there that night...I wanted to believe it when he said it then...I rather doubt he would do it now and of course; his henchmen (and henchwoman) are not going to let the legislation get to his desk anyway so the point it moot.

So what that this is happening in Connecticut at the moment?   We really are talking about possible gun confiscation; would anyone have dreamed that possible 50 years ago?  I wouldn't have...not in any state in this country (and I've lived in several).  I don't really think CT authorities will do it but the fact that it's even, apparently, being considered based on a number of news stories I've read should make all of us stop catch our breath. There may well come a time when each of us will have to decide whether to "turn them in" or face the consequences (the consequences being prison or perhaps even death).   There is NOTHING so special about the gun culture in Tennessee or any state that guarantees that this cannot happen here...let one deranged crackpot kill a dozen or two kindergartners in a school here in Tennessee and just wait to see what kind of bogus, unconstitutional laws this legislature might be willing to pass; then what are you going to do when the legislature says your gun is now illegal because it looks mean or tells you that you can't have a "high capacity clip" that holds more than 10 rounds...not just not be able to carry it in public but now allowed to have AT ALL (that's a rhetorical question...I'm not looking for a real answer here...just offering up something for people to consider)?   I'm not fanning the flames or for a shootout either but I do think we need to be aware of what's happening in CT as it may well be an example of what will be on our own doorstep someday.

maybe I am being a little too harsh but I can't help but wonder - if the firearm owners of Connecticut had the intestinal fortitude to perhaps make another shot heard round the world (i.e. resist with force) then perhaps they should have had the intestinal fortitude to not put such low life anti-constitution legislators in their state legislature.

Your profile says you are former military...I'm former military...not following orders is a pretty damn significant thing as I'm sure you know.  "Confiscating firearms" deemed "illegal" by a state (in this case, CT) seems really obviously "unconstitutional" to most of us but it certainly doesn't seem so obvious to many other people and may not be seen that way by the courts.   So, expecting a career LEO to just refuse to obey orders is no small thing...not only will he likely be throwing away his career (and maybe a retirement as well) but he may be doing if for a law that the courts eventually say is constitutional (no matter how much we know it isn't).

Gee...another Zimmerman thread for you to throw some hate his way...why am I not surprised?

For the record, I don't "hate" the public school system.  I simply find that what schools are teaching to be anti-American, anti-liberty and anti-free enterprise.   We see snippets of the truth about whats going on in schools in news stories like the one that started this thread but if one actually looks at the textbooks being used today and some of the videos being shown children most people would find that what is being taught are lies, half-truths and "facts" that run completely contrary to the values and beliefs of the parents.   I don't "hate" public schools...I'm all for public schools that teach the truth...that don't re-wright history to serve an agenda...that will teach children HOW to think rather than WHAT to think...I'm all for public schools and are 100% controlled by the LOCAL PARENTS WHO HAVE CHILDREN IN THEM rather than by the state or, lord help us, by the federal government. Unfortunately, today we have the latter rather than the former. So...until such time as that changes, I encourage everyone to put their children in private school or to home school or at the very least, be prepared to spend a lot of hours every week teaching their children what they should be taught and how they should be taught in public school but aren't being taught.  

I'm sorry...I listened to this audio and frankly, I think this LT was more than reasonable to someone who was trying very hard to bait him and this kind of behavior by this "Ashley" is just a reprehensible as those on the left who try to bait people and carry things to the extreme to prove their point.   Expecting individual officers to refuse to obey the civilian government and enforce the laws that have been passed by that duly elected civilian government is rather beyond the pail...whether these laws are "constitutional" or not is going to have to be for the courts to decide; not the officers in the street. Hopefully, the people of CT will win back the rights that THEY let slip away (when the voted for these assholes who passed this law but until that happens I suggest they had better get their "illegal" weapons out of the state.

This seems like it could be a no-win situation to me.   Calling 9-1-1 is good advice but given the way I've seen a lot of police act recently if it's a real cop and he orders you out of your vehicle and you don't comply he may well bust out your side window, pull you out of your vehicle by force and then taze youwhile you are trying to call 9-1-1 to verify that you are dealing with a real cop.