KahrMan

I got one today also. Went straight to the trash.

That scopes looks good on there. Make sure you give us a range report once you get it sighted in.

Damn it! I just about had decided that I didn't need a Wilson. Now you go and show me this...

The link you posted says the ammo is certified for 10 years and is 03/04 production. So I am guessing that it is actually good for longer than 10 years?

This ad is from Wideners.

That right at the same price and still good for 6 years.

Here is the ad for ammo I found SA308 South African 308 143gr FMJBT $10.50/20 or $230/500 This ammunition uses the same components as the South African Military Grade ammunition, with the exception that the primers are not crimped or sealed, and the bullets do not have the tar mouth sealant. This ammo uses the small copper jacketed - lead core bullet as the military ammo and the velocity is the same or maybe a little higher. (2749 FPS - Consult the PMP ammo website.) This is Premium ammunition, Brass cased, Boxer Primed NON-CORROSIVE (100% Re-Loadable which is a HUGE plus in todays market). This ammunition comes in 20 rnd boxes in 500rnd cases (25 boxes to a case).

The price on the flyer puts it just under .50 cents a round but I think it is South Afican ammo. Whats the problem with South African ammo?

I haven't bought any in quite a while. Does anybody have any good sources? What is surplus .308 currently running? The reason I am asking is I just bought some .50cal ammo and there was a flyer in the box. It had some surplus .308 for $230 for 500 rounds. Is this a good deal? Thanks

The best .380 load for personal protection is 230 gr .45

Magic, I love the badger. wiggle, wiggle boom

Wow. I had no idea the police could do that. I can't believe that practice will stand up if challenged in court.

Jesse needs to go back to cheating on his wife and keep his mouth shut.

He will most definitely become bear chow one day soon.

That sounds pretty reasonable. It is hard to really know what went on when you only have the convicted defendants side of the story. I hope more info comes out during the appeal processes. This is an interesting case.

Mars, not trying to be argumentative but I don't understand this. When the judge ruled the document was inadmissable, he had not seen the document. He took the word of the batfe on what was in the document. The batfe lied to the judge about the contents of the document. How is this not perjury?

As to the perjury...The defense requested a batfe document. They testifies that it contained privileged tax info and therefore didn't have to turn it over. After the verdict the defense was able to show that the batfe lied and the document did not contain the privileged info they claimed. That is perjury. The judge ruled that the form did not matter. The defense should have been allowed to present the info and let the jury decide if it is relevant. It does not matter if the judge ruled the document irrelevant, the batfe still lied to the judge to keep it out of court. That is perjury.

Mars, I understand you can't believe everything a defendant tells you. Here are couple of things I have a problem with. You keep saying the Olofson clearly new the gun would fire in burst mode. How do you know. The only person saying this is the man that was actually was arrested with the rifle. This man has been caught in several lies and he was paid for his testimony. Shouldn't the threat of going to jail for being in possession of a "machine gun" be enough to compel him to testify? Obviously not because the batfe has to pay him for his testimony. The batfe itself concluded that the rifle was not a machine gun but a malfunctioning semi-auto. That wasn't good enough so they changed to soft primer ammo and kept testing it till it malfunctioned again. We do not know what mods you claim were made to the gun because the batfe would not let the defense inspect the gun. Think about this, you are trial and you are not allowed to examine the evidence against you. The defense was not allowed to have one of their experts examine the weapon and testify. The reason is the prosecution and batfe said it was irrelevant if the gun was modified or if it was simply a malfunction. That didn't matter. The only thing that mattered was if they could make it fire more than one round with the pull of a trigger. Lets say that you are out shooting skeet with your over under. You pull the trigger and both barrels fire because of a malfunction. You are now looking at federal jail time for possesing a machinegun. There is now legal precedent for that scenario. I forget which case but a higher court in a different jurisdiction ruled that a malfunctioning gun does NOT a machine gun make. The judge wouldn't allow the defense to even bring this up to the jury. Put your self in Mr Olofson shoes. He is told that it does not matter if the gun was modified or not. It does not matter if the gun malfunctioned. It does not matter that the batfe concluded that it was not a machine gun. The only thing that matters is they were able to make the gun fire more than one round with pull of the trigger. Remeber the batfe has no set testing procedures to follow. They can tinker with your gun as much as they want to get it to malfunction. And once it malfunctions you are guilty of having a machine gun. I am not a lawyer but I know right from wrong and this just seems wrong.

Mars, not sure if you have seen this thread over at ar15.com, but it is 88 pages of the history of the case. Mr Olofson post a lot of the documents from the trial and tells his story. His screen name is Bladerunner. There is a lot of info there and it really sounds like he is getting railroaded. The batfe committed perjury int he case to keep certain batfe documents out of the trial that would have helped his case. It is a lot of reading but it is worth it. He had public defenders for most of the time and they didn't do a good job. GOA is now footing the bill for his appeals. They have gotten one of the big law firms who worked on the heller case to represent him. Here is the link: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=6&t=507483&page=1

Don't do it. Although the 45lc is not a high pressure round it does have more pressure that a 410. The max saami pressure for a non ruger 45lc is 14,000 psi. Rugers can handle a higher pressure. The max saami pressure for a 410 is 12500-13500 depending if it has a 2.5" bore or 3" bore. It doesn't seem like a lot of difference but I would not recommend it.

You will have the perfect gun after your next trip to Nashville.

Boyd's Gun Stocks also has some great looking stocks for Savages. +1 for Savage

Great pic. Congrats on the new G19.

22s are a lot of fun. I have always like the looks of the Neos. Congrats on the purchase.

Yea, it was him. He is at home sleeping right now.