KahrMan

This is what Blue Book says: BULLDOG - .44 Spl. cal., 5 shot, 2 1/2 or 3 (disc. 1988) in. barrels, wide trigger and spur or pocket hammer, checkered bulldog grips (walnut or neoprene), blue or electroless nickel finish. Disc. 1991, reinstated 1994. Disc.1996. Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% $225 $195 $155 $125 $110 $90 $70 Bluebook is not always accurate. Check on gunbroker and see what others are going for.

Next time put him in the bag then hit him with the shovel. That way the guts are contained. Or leave the splattered carcass out as a warning to the other chipmunks...

Were you able to view the security footage?

I was checking one out yesterday. It felt really good in my hand. Came up naturally with sights in alignment for my grip. Would love to hear some other peoples experience as to reliability and function. Thanks. PS - I was looking at a 9mm. This will not be my primary carry gun. Mainly a range gun.

You also might want to check out a scuba diving store. Always used anti-fog stuff on my diving masks.

Cool. Can't wait to see pics of the springfield.

I don't know if that is funny or scary...

Here is what BlueBook says: ITHACA HAMMERLESS - 12, 16, 20, 28 ga., or .410 bore, 26-32 in. fluid steel or damascus barrels, boxlock, extractors, double triggers, any standard choke, checkered pistol grip stock and forearm, grades shown differ in overall quality, ornamentation, grade of wood, and style of checkering. In 1925, the rotary bolt and stronger frame were adapted (ser. numbers after 400,000 - commonly referred to as NID or New Ithaca Double). Values are the same as for pre-400,000 serial range shotguns. Ithaca doubles incorporated a number of design changes made on the action - they are referred to as the Lewis, Crass, Flues, and Minier frame variations. Add $200 for SST. Add $150 for SNT. Add $350 for VR on Grades 4, 5, 7, and $2,000 Grade. Add $200 for VR - lower grades. Add $175 for beavertail forearm. Add 33% for auto ejectors on Grades No. 1, 2, and 3. Subtract 33% if without ejectors on Grades 4E-7E. Early hammer doubles in average condition are approx. valued between $175-$450. However, if 60%+ condition remains (including original case colors), values can approximate those listed. Values below are for guns mfg. between 1925-1948. Grade No. 3 12 ga. Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10% $2,300 $2,075 $1,850 $1,500 $1,200 $1,000 $800 $750 $700 $650 $600 $550

Here is what BlueBook says: ITHACA HAMMERLESS - 12, 16, 20, 28 ga., or .410 bore, 26-32 in. fluid steel or damascus barrels, boxlock, extractors, double triggers, any standard choke, checkered pistol grip stock and forearm, grades shown differ in overall quality, ornamentation, grade of wood, and style of checkering. In 1925, the rotary bolt and stronger frame were adapted (ser. numbers after 400,000 - commonly referred to as NID or New Ithaca Double). Values are the same as for pre-400,000 serial range shotguns. Ithaca doubles incorporated a number of design changes made on the action - they are referred to as the Lewis, Crass, Flues, and Minier frame variations. Add $200 for SST. Add $150 for SNT. Add $350 for VR on Grades 4, 5, 7, and $2,000 Grade. Add $200 for VR - lower grades. Add $175 for beavertail forearm. Add 33% for auto ejectors on Grades No. 1, 2, and 3. Subtract 33% if without ejectors on Grades 4E-7E. Early hammer doubles in average condition are approx. valued between $175-$450. However, if 60%+ condition remains (including original case colors), values can approximate those listed. Values below are for guns mfg. between 1925-1948. Grade No. 3 12 ga. Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10% $2,300 $2,075 $1,850 $1,500 $1,200 $1,000 $800 $750 $700 $650 $600 $550

If this is a grade 3 NID, then blue book puts the value at $1500 for 90% condition. If you have any other pics or info I will try to do some more research for you tomorrow.

Thanks for the info guys. Was thinking about going tomorrow but weather might be an issue. I will start a new thread after I go about the trip.

That's exactly what it sounds like. Damage control.

Wow. You can actually here the beep, beep, beep where Rick is backing up. He claims there is lawsuits over the nashville city paper article because they misquoted him.

Not sure about the trigger. Here is what Blue Book says about Savage Model 4: MODEL 4 BOLT ACTION REPEATER - .22 S, L, or LR cal., 24 in. barrel, open sight, takedown, 5 shot, checkered pistol grip stock on pre-war, plain stock on post-war. Mfg. 1933-65. Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% $110 $85 $70 $55 $40 $30 $30 Pre-war $120 $95 $85 $65 $50 $40 $30 MODEL 4S - similar to Model 4, with aperture sight. Mfg. 1933-42. Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% $120 $90 $75 $65 $55 $40 $30 MODEL 4M - similar to Model 4, except .22 Mag. Mfg. 1961-65. Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% $110 $85 $70 $55 $45 $30 $30 They didn't list a C model or deluxe model. This was all I could find.

I just found out a special hog season is open until the end of February. My cousin and I are going to go up there next week. If anybody has any info I would appreciate it.

Started off with the P9 then went to the PM9 then the P45 and now back to the PM9 and have loved them all.

Both my kids learned on a single shot .243. Single shots are great for kids to learn with. They have one shot and have to make it count. I guess this kinda proves your original post. Its really more about placement than caliber.

If your shotgun is collectable, don't reblue it. That will kill the value of it.

+1 Glockster - I agree that all these calibers have enough energy to cleanly take a deer sized animal. I think that the fps and ft-lbs rating are really used to catch us hunters and make us buy new rifles. I think thats why people are so loyal to a certain caliber. Nobody wants to feel like they bought an inadequate caliber. So billy bob now thinks anybody with a smaller caliber doesn't have enough gun and anybody with a larger caliber is just overkill. They now have the perfect combination of fps & ft-lbs. Unfortunately that is not a set figure and will be different for each of us.

The 243 and 270 are roughly the same fps but the 243 has 1945 ft-lbs of energy while the 270 has 2687 ft-lbs. I think people get to caught up in always thinking more is better.

Does the manual you got this info out of also give the energy of the round in ft lbs? That is usually how you judge the effectiveness of a round on deer.

Anybody here like to hunt for sheds? My daughter and I were watching a bachelor group of bucks last night. Two of them had already dropped one antler. There was a really nice 10 pt in the group. Wide and tall. I am going to be looking hard for his sheds.

The P30 is the first HK that feels great in my hand. Congrats on the new gun.

Yeah. I don't keep up with what is coming out very much. I just happen to see an ad for the trailer on ESPN's site.

http://www.startrekmovie.com/ The StarTrek franchise had gotten a little cheesey. This is a prequel. The trailer actually looks pretty good.