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Most cyclists will not block traffic if they can avoid it. What some people may not realize is that glass or rumble strips may make a shoulder less inviting than it appears from the dash of your car.

How is insinuating you'd like to shoot someone not challenging their right to be there?

My problem with ignorant people is that when they see a few people doing something they don't like they will swear that everyone in a particular group is the same. You want to ticket cyclists? Be my guest.

The BS on this thread makes me want to organize an "open carry your EBR day" for cyclists. Anyone know the best route through Brentwood?

Ignorance plain and simple.

OK so maybe I should have posted this thread in the "tactics and training" section since that's really the perspective I'm coming from.... Second question: Anyone do any IDPA or IDPA style shooting as a substitute for or supplement to training classes etc...? I'd really like to do a training class for pistol, the AR-15 that I put together but never shoot, or even with my shotgun. Unfortunately, with 2 small kids, a business and other hobbies, I'm not sure when I could get to one. Especially not the $500, gone all weekend, out-of-town variety. Surely someone else out there faces this delima? I had just started to get into good cycling shape when I was involved in an accident that put my back and left shoulder in a bad bad place. Since mountain biking is out for a while, this fall seems to be a good time for me to shoot some.

Smith and Wesson M&P9c and Ruger SR9C. I really like my Glock 26, but you seem to like Rugers and although I don't own one, I really like the M&P line.

Does anyone know about this club in North Knoxville? I'm curious about the "Zombie Shoot" on October 30th. Volunteer Rifle & Pistol Club I've just been shooting a few years. I've done a couple of brief training classes, no competition shooting, and I wonder if this is a beginner friendly event. The other thing I'm considering is checking out an IDPA match at ORSA. I understand that they are at 10:00 the first Saturday of every month? Can anyone tell me how long you are usually there? I've got so many other obligations that I don't see myself becoming a regular, but I'd still like to check out one or the other. I'm just interested in having fun with my regular carry gun. Will there be other guys just using their regular equipment trying to get some practical training outdoors or will it be full of guys with race guns that don't want to deal with an inexperienced shooter asking too many questions?

Good thing you came by and unloaded it.

You guys sound like a bunch of grumpy old men. What's wrong with a little self-expression now and then?

The early Gen 4s shipped with springs that didn't do well with weak ammo. If you get one of the early recoil assemblies, you can just call them up and they send you a new one.

My Gen 4 17 has been perfectly reliable but I can't say the dual spring reduces recoil by a huge amount or that the grip is that much better. The grip choice is just personal preference and I actually like the Gen 3 RTF grip slightly more than the Gen 4 grip. If I ever get the G 34 I've been thinking about,I really won't have a huge preference between the Gen 3 or 4.

Looks like the single stack Glock 26 everyone's always wanted. I mean that in a good way.

My earlier posts were aimed at answering the OP's question but I actually agree that hitting a dog is more of a threat than an attack. I have known two cyclists who broke their collar bones after hitting dogs. I don't usually carry on group rides but I usually do carry if I'm riding alone. A p3at/lcp/TCP will fit in a jersey pocket just fine.

Use a bill of sale or get a signed statement that they are buying the weapon from you with the serial number recorded to protect yourself from liability if the gun is used in a crime. Verify either a Tennessee Driver's License or (even better) a Handgun Carry Permit. You probably wouldn't have liability regardless unless you have some reason to believe that the buyer is 1) mentally unstable, 2) planning a crime, 3)has a criminal record, 4) is subject to an Order of Protection, or 5) has been convicted of domestic violence. Regardless, checking ID and having a bill of sale are two very good ways to make it clear you 1) have no knowledge of any reason someone shouldn't be legal to own a firearm, and 2) record your sale.

My mother in law watched my 3-year-old one day last week. She really loves my son but she raised three girls and is sometimes a little shocked when he climbs on things and jumps around like a typical hyper little boy. She commented to my wife that everything he picks up, becomes a gun. My wife shrugged and said, "sometimes it's a sword."

The federal criminal code already addresses this. The federal statue for "felon in possession" is already pretty harsh. I don't really know the answer here, but new legislation probably isn't it. More laws to outlaw already illegal activities are usually good-intentioned but ineffective.

We recently bought some "Guard Alaska" bear spray from the Sportsman's Guide for hiking in the Smokies. It is a huge can and it's touted to have a much better range than regular pepper spray. Sportsman's Guide had the best price I could find.

I suspect that Tennessee's relatively high crime rate has to do with pockets of low income combined with high levels of drug addiction. As an attorney, my experience is that addiction to presciption opiates, heroin, and meth drive most of the crime in Tennessee. The restrictive gun laws in Illionois and D.C. certianly indicate that the violence doesn't have a correlation to access to guns. I would say that if you asked the average police officer they will also indicate substance abuse is a driving force behind most violent crime in Tennessee.

Sorry; hate to nit pick but fear of death or substantial bodily injury. Title 39 Criminal Offenses Chapter 14 Offenses Against Property Part 2 Animals Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-14-205 (2011) 39-14-205. Intentional killing of animal. (a)(1)(A) It is an offense to knowingly and unlawfully kill the animal of another without the owner's effective consent. ( A violation of subdivision (a)(1)(A) is theft of property, graded according to the value of the animal, and punished in accordance with § 39-14-105. (2) In determining the value of a police dog, fire dog, search and rescue dog, service animal or police horse under § 39-14-105, the court shall consider the value of the police dog, fire dog, search and rescue dog, service animal or police horse as both the cost of the animal and any specialized training the animal received. ( A person is justified in killing the animal of another if the person acted under a reasonable belief that the animal was creating an imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury to that person or another or an imminent danger of death to an animal owned by that person. A person is not justified in killing the animal of another if at the time of the killing the person is trespassing upon the property of the owner of the animal. The justification for killing the animal of another authorized by this subsection ( shall not apply to a person who, while engaging in or attempting to escape from criminal conduct, kills a police dog that is acting in its official capacity. In that case the provisions of subsection (a) shall apply to the person.

I agree on both points. Assuming the dog is large enough for me to be really scared. If it's a small dog it will be punted accross the street.

Wrong. Reasonable self-defense is an exception to the animal cruelty statute. I love dogs, I'm a dog owner and a dog person and I don't advocate shooting dogs. But, I also don't advocate someone getting seriously injured if they can prevent it. I've ridden probably 80-100K miles in the last 15 years and I really think 99% of dogs will run away with water, pepper spray or something less. However, to say that their are no bad or dangerous dogs is a like saying their are no dangerous people. It'd be great if it were true, but sadly it's not. It is certainly not fair to shoot a dog that acts aggressively because it's been abused or neglected. But I think about it in terms as I would a person who's had it rough. If someone kicks in your front door to attack you, it's not the time to talk about whether they had a tough childhood.

Legally, it all depends on if you are acting in reasonable self defense. In other words, if you don't shoot at the dog could you reasonably say that you are in fear of death or substantial bodily injury. FYI, I've seen someone charged with aggravated cruelty to animals for shooting a cat. It's a felony. I'm also a cyclist, and I've been bitten and almost run off the road by dogs. I'd advise saving the firearm until after you've tried everything else (pepper spray, gatorade in the eyes etc...) and you are you are in a rural area with no one else around. In other words, don't shoot unless you could convince someone you might get your leg bitten off otherwise. As for the comment about cyclists that think they own the road, I'm not going to get into another debate like I did last time someone brought this up on TGO. I don't have the time. I'll just say this: Some cyclists aren't as courteous to drivers as they should be just like some gun owners aren't as responsible as they should be. I'm not sure how it's funny that someone is afraid they will be attacked by a dog, or seriously injured if a dogs attacks them. I don't hunt but I'm not going to say that it would be funny if someone was cornered by a pack of coyotes while hunting. Incidentally, I haven't been on my bike in a while. On August 30th I was hit in a residential neighborhood by an older gentlemen who was trying to turn around and just flat out didn't watch where he was going. I actually drive my car daily through the neighborhood where I was hit because it's a shortcut from my neighborhood to Kingston Pike which is a main drag through West Knoxville. It's the sort of place you often see people jogging and and pushing kids in strollers. I've had a lot of back pain and shoulder surgery still isn't out of the question for me but I just thank God I was wearing a helmet and that he hit me (since I was thrown over his vehicle) instead of someone pushing a stroller.

Thanks a lot! My membership to Gunny's just expired a few weeks ago. I was already planning to switch to Coal Creek because I live in W. Knox and my work hasn't been taking me to Maryville as much lately.

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