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Not quite sure what you're getting at here but I would steer clear of using any derogatory racial slurs. You want to emphasize that you are acting to protect yourself. Your personal opinion on the other partyt shouldn't play a role.

Things to note: 1. If they graduate in the spring take the July bar they aren't actually licensed until the fall. 2. There are definitely a lot of hungry young lawyers. However, my opinion is that the legal profession is becoming more like real estate and certain jobs in the business world in that the marketplace will begin to regulate how many lawyers instead law school entrance exams or bar passage. In other words, with the downturn of the economy and certain new (think the one in downtown Knoxville) unaccredited law schools, having a law license no longer guarantees that someone will find employment or have the ability to open an office and have any clients. Just like real estate, the guys who work hard and know what they are doing can generate an income but a lot of guys wash out after a year or two. I know several people with law degress who don't practice law. How does this apply to this thread? Because if these guys aren't making money on something they will get out of it and I agree with Chip that the threat of dismissal and paying the defendant's costs is a more significant deterrent than most people realize. In other words, you could be sued for a shooting that was determined to be justified by the local authorities... but I think it is highly unlikely. Last year I spoke with a gentleman from a remote East Tennessee county who was shot in a landlord/tenent dispute... He had been evicted and was returning to the property to retrieve some personal property. When he didn't leave immediately, the LL hit him with 8 rounds of .22LR. The LL was originally prosecuted for attempted murder and plead guilty to a reduced charge because it appeared he was acting in defense of property which is not justifiable in TN. In any case the guy was prosecuted and I turned down the case. Additionally, I believe it had been turned down by at least one or two other lawyers before it ended up in my office. Why? First off, the tenent was rip roaring drunk and didn't, to me, have a clear enough recollection of the events. Secondly, because the LL acted criminally, his insurance company most likely had an exclusion in their policy so that they don't have to provide coverage. Lessons learned: 1. Yes, a law practice is a business and lawyers want to make money, but, contrary to what a lot of people believe, it is the great exception and not the norm for a lawyer to make money on a B.S. case. 2. Don't be drunk and get into any dispute that could lead to a legal battle. Not only is your judgment impaired but your testimony generally won't be credible. I can't tell you how many people I've had in my office who claim they were drunk/high and "wrongfully beaten in a bar by security", "fell down in a dangerous hazard at a business", "assaulted by LEO" etc... maybe some of these people were telling the truth but I'm not going to spend my time trying to prove a case for someone that doesn't have a clear recollection of the underlying events. I told my assisant recently, "if you're going to get wasted... do it at your own house." 3. I probably wouldn't rely on .22LR for defensive use.

I agree. I don't know any lawyers that would take on that kind of case. FYI, asking for a cash retainer up front on what might normally be a contingency fee case is usually what lawyers do to make someone go away if you think their story doesn't make sense or their case will be have a problem. It is much easier than telling someone you don't believe them.

Welcome to the forum. Not too long ago I was a new gun owner myself. I have learned a lot from the experience of those on the forum.

I love Ducktown!

Have you tried a 17? I've found the finger grooves on the full-size or subcompacts fit me better than the compacts. Also, contrary a lot of people, I like the feel and balance of the full-size 17/22/31 more than the compacts 19/23/32. I ended up trading away my 19 and primarily carry a 27 in summer and in the winter I try to carry full-size as much as possible. It's really not much harder for me to conceal my 17 or 22 than it was my 19. I have a busy life and although I enjory it; shooting, I have a fairly limited amount of time to devote to it. I really really like that Glocks are a simple platform available in mulitple sizes. That said, the M&Ps seem really nice as well. If you like the M&Ps, why not stick to them? Or have a little custom work done to your Glock's grip. You probably wouldn't go wrong either way...

Look at how much money they wasted on Vince Young the headcase. First, he sat on the bench while an elderly Kerry Collins started. Then, to make matters worse, you have a guy with a history of mental health issues, temper tantrums etc.. who is starts cussing out one of the most seasoned coaches in the NFL. What does the ownership do??? They side with Vince the crybaby and fire Fisher who was/is a great coach. I pretty much blame the unconditional support of Vince Young for the poor state the Titans have fallen into...

Mine works best with Remington "Golden". I clean/lube it after every use.

Ruger for carry; Beretta for collecting/shooting/style.

Are you guys sure it's the phone and not the network? I've used both a Motorola and a Casio android and I just don't seem to have those problems.

I voted Android. Admittedly, I'm not the most savvy guy about technology. That said, my impression has always been that with Apple products are for people who want to pay $$$ for a style factor and then get stuck with proprietary software. I've had two android phones now (my wife is now using the one I had first), and I've found the android system to be very user friendly. Many of the apps are available for free. I'm currently using a Casio Commando phone which is water and shock resistant. I carry it mountain biking, hiking, running etc... and it still looks and works great. It's been sweated on, dropped in puddles, and kicked. Still looks practically new.

Really? I just don't get the idea of ghost ring sights on a pistol. In light of that I wouldn't pay a dollar over $450... I love that he had a black gun duracoated black... That's so custom.... Reminds me of a guy I knew in college. I lived and breathed mountain biking but this guy rode a little bmx with my roomate at the time. We called him "flash" because everything he bought had to unique. He bought a brand new CBR 600RR and immediately took all the plastic off, powder-coated the frame and made it a "naked" bike. It looked cool enough but I could never figure out why you wouldn't just buy a wrecked bike if you were going to do that. Just goes to show that money is no object when people "customize" everything.

This was my experience with my Gen 4 17. The original spring made creaking noises in mine but it never actually malfunctioned. I wouldn't hesitate to get another Gen 4.

I've seen this idea all over the internet. It may have been true years ago but I don't think it's true with modern loads like the HST or Gold Dot. Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpO5kPuQYrA Personally, I have 124 grain Gold Dots loaded up right now but I wouldn't hesitate to use 147 grain ammo. As a matter of fact, I bought some 147 grain Ranger T that I need to try out. Personally I think way too much is made of ammo choice (or caliber for that matter). Pick a quality, modern JHP design, put enough through your pistol to ensure reliability and then worry about being able to shoot well enough to hit the target.

I'm sure it's possible to limp-wrist lots of guns and make them malfuction. If I can't make mine malfuction with an intentionally poor grip than it's a non-issue for me.

I can do November 3rd...

Why fight your preference? Glock and M&P both have a reputation for quality, so you should pick the one YOU like best. Don't worry about which one you think you should like.

This officer did a simply outstanding job of resolving the situation without issue. I don't see the point of what the Kwik type guys are doing. It's fine by me if you want to open carry but just realize that, like it or not, it is outside the ordinary. If these guys really want to help a political cause they should be politely helping little old ladies cross the street or providing some sort of community service. Instead of showing people that there are nice, friendly, law-abiding people who might happen to own guns, these guys think they are somehow helping the cause by trying to provoke an improper reaction from law enforcement. This officer looks like a smart, well-trained guy who's just not buying it.

I'll qualify what I said earlier about snagging clothing by saying that it only bothers me only when wearing a suit jacket or sport coat. It seems to stick to my jacket a little bit which doesn't help concealment. I don't have this problem at all with my 4th Gen 17. In casual clothing it's not an issue an it doesn't bother my skin at all. the RTF 22 is usually what I carry when hiking in the fall and winter and it hasn't caused any skin irritation on long hikes.

I have a "fish gills" G22. The only issue is that it snags clothing. Other than that, I really like the feel of it. I've heard people complain about sore hands etc... but I don't find it too abrasive. I generally have "light" callouses on my hands from lifting weights without gloves and mountain biking keeps them built up a little too. Even though earn my income by talking and pushing papers, nearly everything I do for fun is active.

I pay pretty close attention and in the last four years or so I guess I only see about one person a year carrying. Most people I know with permits carry pocket pistols in the summer and save the larger weapons for when cover garments can be worn. Here are the ones I can remember: 1. A grumpy looking old man open carrying a 1911 in Wal-Mart. 2. A super friendly older guy open carrying a large revolver a few miles into a hiking trail in the Smokies. 3. I'm about 90% sure I saw a print on a young, thin, crew-cut guy at Kroger with a t-shirt concealing some kind of IWB semi-auto. I might not have noticed this guy was carrying except for his paracord bracelet made me look a little closer for the print of the pistol which appeard at the 4:00-4:30 location where most people carry IWB. 4. Last winter at church a guy in a sweater had a snag in front of us and I saw a magazine holder on his left hip with a single-stack mag in it. I pointed it out to my wife and I assume he had a pistol under his sweater on his right side. 5. A few years ago at a Chinese buffet in West Knoxville, I saw a guy open-carrying what I think was a Sig on one side and a magazine pouch on the other side. *Edit- I don't go to gun shows and I don't count the people I've seen and gun stores etc...

OK so as a follow-up to Dolomite's "limp-wrist" video, I'd like to post up that I had a chance to run by CCA and I just put 100 rounds of 180 grain WWB through my Glock 27. I shot about 20 of those rounds with a weak, left-handed (I'm right handed) grip. While I didn't hold the pistol in the sideways manner of the video Dolomite posted, I did try to forget everything I've learned in the last few years about a proper shooting grip and hold it the pistol very loosely. The pistol shot fine. Again I didn't hold it sideways like the guy in the video but I tried to simulate the kind of weak grip I might use if I were injured etc.. One comment though. I did not enjoy shooting .40 out of a sub-compact this way. When I tried to intentionally limp-wrist my 9mm pistols I don't remember the pistol jumping around on me as much. As a matter of fact, putting 100 rounds of .40 through my 27 relatively quickly kind of made me miss my 26. For those not familiar with the model numbers, I had a subcompact 9mm and now I have a subcompact .40. While I can't tell much of a difference between the recoil of 9mm or .40 in full-size, I notice it in the small guns. My shooting experience is insignificant compared with a lot of you guys but I like Glocks because they are simplier to learn than some semi-auto platforms, generally easier to shoot than revolvers, lightweight, easy to carry, and inexpensive. If I were to switch to anything else it would probably be Smith & Wesson M&P.

That limp wrist test is a little surprising to me since I've tried to make my 4th Gen 17 to fail and couldn't. My test was not as radical as this one. I just used what I considered to be a soft, left-handed grip. I was never able to get my 17 or 19 to have an issue although I did get my 26 to stovepipe on the last round in the magazine. My test may not be as rigorous as the one in the video but I guess if I can't hold a pistol softly with my weak-hand, I probably have no business shooting. This have me thinking though... I don't have my 26 anymore as a switched to a 27 when I got a 4th Gen. It works well but I'll have to do some intentional soft-shooting next time I get to the range. If I go soon I'll post up some feedback.

Any idea on dates for a one-day?

The two day time commitment kept me out last time. I'm definitely interested in a one-day option.